chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: That's the maximum fine they can levy in this situation. Probably should amend that bylaw then. 5 million is ash tray money these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I get that it would have been extremely harsh. But that is what I was hoping for, and just answered the question. If you don't want people to cheat, punish the living hell out of the cheaters. This isn't deterring anyone. Yeah, but you're punishing players on the current roster who didn't cheat or participate. This is why that punishment would never fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Definitely think the punishments could’ve been tougher, but we’ll see if they tighten up the rules on technology during the game. Nothing wrong with scouting and studying video before games, but during games it should be banned. On a separate note, Alex Cora should get at least two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, flavum said: Definitely think the punishments could’ve been tougher, but we’ll see if they tighten up the rules on technology during the game. Nothing wrong with scouting and studying video before games, but during games it should be banned. On a separate note, Alex Cora should get at least two years. Not sure how they'd enforce this but it could be as simple as posting an MLB employee in the clubhouse. I think it's something they should look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Reading the reports, it seems like Cora may he the one eating the lifetime ban. Pretty scathing of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Honestly, that is pretty tame punishment. Yup. $5M for the org is nothing. Suspensions for executives feel like a slap on the wrist. No punishment for any of the players that participated either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Also, how does baseball assure that Luhnow doesn't assist the team in any capacity? Will they monitor all FO communications (Phone/EMail/Text) over the next 9 months? Luhnow should be terminated because the Astros have proven they will do anything they can to skirt the rules. It wouldn't shock me if Luhnow was still in contact with Astros officials if he isn't terminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think the players not being suspended had to do with not wanting to bring the MLBPA into this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Reading the reports, it seems like Cora may he the one eating the lifetime ban. Pretty scathing of him. I am shocked the one they all pointed their fingers at was the one...no longer in their org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: Yup. $5M for the org is nothing. Suspensions for executives feel like a slap on the wrist. No punishment for any of the players that participated either. $5 million is the most they could be fined under MLB rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Soxbadger said: I think the players not being suspended had to do with not wanting to bring the MLBPA into this. Probably true. But doesn't help it look like anything but a light punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think the one thing I wanted more than any other was Luhnow just had to be forced out of Astros. The one year ban that is a season long ban is a joke. He'll probably be whatapping the crap out of everyone anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This is weak as hell if there's no post season ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 So to be clear, people saying this is harsh... Jake Burger, Zack Collins, Gavin Sheets, Alec Hansen, a year suspension for Hahn and Renteria, and $5M isn't worth a World Series 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Also, how does baseball assure that Luhnow doesn't assist the team in any capacity? Will they monitor all FO communications (Phone/EMail/Text) over the next 9 months? Luhnow should be terminated because the Astros have proven they will do anything they can to skirt the rules. It wouldn't shock me if Luhnow was still in contact with Astros officials if he isn't terminated. The prospect of a lifetime ban might be enough, but it does seem like it would be hard to really prove he was breaking the rules during a ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 It's a pretty significant penalty. Your manager and GM are gone for a season. The max fine is given, and you lose your top 4 picks the next 2 seasons. I think that is enough to deter teams from doing this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionSox Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'm assuming if they lose the draft picks they lose the money from their overall draft pool too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Quin said: So to be clear, people saying this is harsh... Jake Burger, Zack Collins, Gavin Sheets, Alec Hansen, a year suspension for Hahn and Renteria, and $5M isn't worth a World Series Right.....its completely nothing. And Burger and Collins were top 10ish picks. Astros aren't losing any of those. The Astros, as situated, get the least negative impact of pretty much any org losing their 1st and 2nd rounders for 2 years. The likelihood of them finding 1 impact player with those picks were low. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: It's a pretty significant penalty. Your manager and GM are gone for a season. The max fine is given, and you lose your top 4 picks the next 2 seasons. I think that is enough to deter teams from doing this again. No it's not. It's a slap on the wrist. I'd bet you that 30/30 fanbases think that if this is the punishment for cheating to win a world series, it's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, TomPickle said: The prospect of a lifetime ban might be enough, but it does seem like it would be hard to really prove he was breaking the rules during a ban. Yeah, but I'd love to know the rules? Can jeff call tom and ask how the kids are? Can jeff get dinner with Jim Crane for fun? Or is he not allowed to have any contact at all with anyone in the organization? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, RegionSox said: I'm assuming if they lose the draft picks they lose the money from their overall draft pool too. If they don't then you're just adding $20k to their draft pool because they won't have to do two extra senior signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: No it's not. It's a slap on the wrist. I'd bet you that 30/30 fanbases think that if this is the punishment for cheating to win a world series, it's worth it. Most teams could cheat twice as much as this and have no shot at a WS. The fact is, this team could have won without cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Quin said: So to be clear, people saying this is harsh... Jake Burger, Zack Collins, Gavin Sheets, Alec Hansen, a year suspension for Hahn and Renteria, and $5M isn't worth a World Series The hell it ain't. Sign me up for that right now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, but I'd love to know the rules? Can jeff call tom and ask how the kids are? Can jeff get dinner with Jim Crane for fun? Or is he not allowed to have any contact at all with anyone in the organization? I read a Keith Law chat where he mentioned they can go through phone records, emails, etc. If he is stupid enough to not comply with his suspension, he is going to get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, but I'd love to know the rules? Can jeff call tom and ask how the kids are? Can jeff get dinner with Jim Crane for fun? Or is he not allowed to have any contact at all with anyone in the organization? I would imagine it's a complete ban on any contact. And I'd hope that if he doesn't follow that directive he's banned forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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