Chisoxmb35 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I still think Crane should be forced to sell the team but he fired Luhnow and Hinch to save his own ass. No, he really should not be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I find it terribly difficult to believe ownership didn’t know what was going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 These players trying to save face is hilarious. "This actually was more distracting than beneficial. I didn't even want to do it." Says guy who participated in 2+ years of blatant cheating that led to a World Series. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I mean, I imagine many of these people on board are Luhnow guys. He was just removed from his post, and the system beneath him now doesn't have clear leadership. I could see a ton of people jumping ship now. Maybe not, but it would make sense. The type of people that cheat to gain an advantage are the same people that step over dead bodies. This is an opportunity to move up, not move over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: The type of people that cheat to gain an advantage are the same people that step over dead bodies. This is an opportunity to move up, not move over. nah, whoever comes in is going to clean fucking house and they all know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: I find it terribly difficult to believe ownership didn’t know what was going on. I don’t. Not hard to imagine an owner having little interaction with the clubhouse day to day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: nah, whoever comes in is going to clean fucking house and they all know it. It sounds like they’re hiring internally.... because you know when you have an organizational problem the best course of action is to not change leadership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: The type of people that cheat to gain an advantage are the same people that step over dead bodies. This is an opportunity to move up, not move over. What you're missing is that the Astros have lost a substantial amount of FO employees over the past 1-2 years because of their success; many people who were near the top have been promoted and hired elsewhere. The Astros have lost a lot of people behind Luhnow, and the one guy they wanted to keep (similarly to Hahn and the Sox) was fired because he was a huge asshole as well. This teams cupboard is running dry, and the ship is now sailing with no captain. I wouldn't be shocked to see most others abandon ship as it was already running light in the first place. The Astros have so much talent I'm not sure it'll matter as much next year, but don't underrate the pressures of overcoming a cheating stigma on players as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, mqr said: It sounds like they’re hiring internally.... because you know when you have an organizational problem the best course of action is to not change leadership. Good, hopefully the Peter Principle hits every one of the middle managers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Lastly, for all arguing players should be punished (which I don't disagree with) it just wasn't going to happen. The MLBPA would have spent years fighting any punishments against players and the CBA was far too vague on this to cite a section with expected punishments. Baseball had hard times punishing players who beat their wives/SO before CBA policy change - just to put it into light how difficult it is to punish players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 glad this happened. I wonder if it was part of the negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Things are lining up very nicely for the Sox to be one of the better teams in the AL for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Most teams could cheat twice as much as this and have no shot at a WS. The fact is, this team could have won without cheating. Wait, what? How is it a fact if that's not what happened in reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: What you're missing is that the Astros have lost a substantial amount of FO employees over the past 1-2 years because of their success; many people who were near the top have been promoted and hired elsewhere. The Astros have lost a lot of people behind Luhnow, and the one guy they wanted to keep (similarly to Hahn and the Sox) was fired because he was a huge asshole as well. This teams cupboard is running dry, and the ship is now sailing with no captain. I wouldn't be shocked to see most others abandon ship as it was already running light in the first place. The Astros have so much talent I'm not sure it'll matter as much next year, but don't underrate the pressures of overcoming a cheating stigma on players as well. That's not what I meant. What I meant to say, and probably didn't map out very well, was that FO employees aren't going to run for the exits suddenly because the head got cut off. Its an opportunity for some, when others take the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Things are lining up very nicely for the Sox to be one of the better teams in the AL for a long, long time. Unfortunately, it's going to be hard to get by that team in NYC. One might have heard of them before. They have 27 championships. I don't think the Sox have ever played the Yankees in the postseason. I'm not looking forward to the first ever meeting. I hope it stays that way. Edited January 13, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: These players trying to save face is hilarious. "This actually was more distracting than beneficial. I didn't even want to do it." Says guy who participated in 2+ years of blatant cheating that led to a World Series. If it weren't beneficial, why keep doing it?? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bmags said: glad this happened. I wonder if it was part of the negotiation. Lifetime bans or fire them, I can see it. Allow them to possibly save some face while de facto banning them for life at the same time via blacklist. I'd imagine it will be hard for Luhnow to ever work as a GM again. Edited January 13, 2020 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, SouthWallace said: If it weren't beneficial, why keep doing it?? ? Bunch of liars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Unfortunately, it's going to be hard to get by that team in NYC. One might have heard of them before. They have 27 championships. I think of the Yankees as paper people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Unfortunately, it's going to be hard to get by that team in NYC. One might have heard of them before. They have 27 championships. I don't think the Sox have ever played the Yankees in the postseason. I'm not looking forward to the first ever meeting. I hope it stays that way. I’m not scared of the Yankees. I think the Sox will be good enough to compete with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: Lifetime bans or fire them, I can see it. Allow them to possibly save some face while basically banning them from life at the same time. I'd imagine it will be hard for Luhnow to ever work as a GM again. Yup, people losing jobs over this should be plenty to keep it from happening again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Lifetime bans or fire them, I can see it. Allow them to possibly save some face while basically banning them from life at the same time. I'd imagine it will be hard for Luhnow to ever work as a GM again. just watch, guy is going to join patriots org. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, wegner said: I think of the Yankees as paper people Like I said, the Sox have never played them in the postseason before. If they do and get crushed, it will be interesting to see how the FO responds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I’m not scared of the Yankees. I think the Sox will be good enough to compete with anyone. You're not scared of Gerrit Cole and Aaron Judge? (at the very least) That's bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Will the Red Sox fire Cora if he doesn't get a ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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