flavum Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: It definitely seems like Alex Cora was the worst of the bunch and chose to cheat to win as much as possible. I wonder if he will be canned. Considering he’s the mastermind, and with multiple teams, he’s got to have a longer suspension than Hinch, in my opinion. If that happens, the Red Sox would probably follow suit, and replace him. Cora may have managed his last game in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Complete nonsense; don't take the Astros blaming an assistant coach who is no longer with the organization as the ring leader. This was a top down plan that would not have been led or devised by an assistant coach. The idea that AJ Hinch just sat back and said 'Noooooooooo don't cheat' and let his bench coach walk all over him is absurd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Complete nonsense; don't take the Astros blaming an assistant coach who is no longer with the organization as the ring leader. This was a top down plan that would not have been led or devised by an assistant coach. But members of the 2018 Red Sox said that Cora brought his cheating ways to their team as well... https://theathletic.com/1510673/2020/01/07/mlbs-sign-stealing-controversy-broadens-sources-say-the-red-sox-used-video-replay-room-illegally-in-2018/ I never said that Luhnow or Hinch were innocent but Cora seems like he doesn’t compete without cheating. Edited January 13, 2020 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: But members of the 2018 Red Sox said that Cora brought his cheating ways to their team as well... https://theathletic.com/1510673/2020/01/07/mlbs-sign-stealing-controversy-broadens-sources-say-the-red-sox-used-video-replay-room-illegally-in-2018/ Yeah, the cheating ways he LEARNED in Houston. I can't believe anyone thinks that an organization as obsessed with "process and procedure" as the Astros is buying this idea that a bench coach implemented a plan of coordinated cheating sans any assistance/guidance from leadership/FO/Manager; and better yet, he did it despite receiving blow-back from "players and Hinch." So we're expected to believe that Cora pushed this and ignored leaderships quests to squash it? Yeah, OK! When the Red Sox report comes out I bet we'll learn that Cora said he learned it all from Houston. Edited January 13, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, the cheating ways he LEARNED in Houston. I can't believe anyone thinks that an organization as obsessed with "process and procedure" as the Astros is buying this idea that a bench coach implemented a plan of coordinated cheating sans any assistance/guidance from leadership/FO/Manager; and better yet, he did it despite receiving blow-back from "players and Hinch." So we're expected to believe that Cora pushed this and ignored leaderships quests to squash it? Yeah, OK! When the Red Sox report comes out I bet we'll learn that Cora said he learned it all from Houston. Fine, so Cora should face punishment as well. And he contributed to it at not one organization, but two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 AJ hinch to Alex Cora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Fine, so Cora should face punishment as well. And he contributed to it at not one organization, but two. Cora is absolutely complicit and deserving of punishment and will receive one... but to insinuate that he was the ring leader of this, given the "control" Houston has over their organization and the coaches within it (remember, Houston fired everyone who didn't toe the company line and policy on analytics and process), is nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) I'm surprised how many people here are saying Hinch and Luhnow are gone for good. They built an absolute juggernaut in Houston and revolutionized the way front offices approach baseball. MVP Machine is this generation's moneyball. Maybe they never get back to the top jobs, but I'd bet my neighbor's house that within three years, both are serving in some capacity for baseball teams. Luhnow in particular will be some BS "Special coordinator of the Minor Leagues" or something that allows him to overhaul a team that has fallen behind the times. EDIT: Ron already has a thread about Hinch replacing Ricky FFS Edited January 13, 2020 by gusguyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The number of jokes I've seen that Beltran's punishment is that he must now manage the Mets... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The number of jokes I've seen that Beltran's punishment is that he must now manage the Mets... The Mets should suspend Beltran for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, gusguyman said: I'm surprised how many people here are saying Hinch and Luhnow are gone for good. They built an absolute juggernaut in Houston and revolutionized the way front offices approach baseball. MVP Machine is this generation's moneyball. Maybe they never get back to the top jobs, but I'd bet my neighbor's house that within three years, both are serving in some capacity for baseball teams. Luhnow in particular will be some BS "Special coordinator of the Minor Leagues" or something that allows him to overhaul a team that has fallen behind the times. EDIT: Ron already has a thread about Hinch replacing Ricky FFS Because they will forever be known as cheaters. With so many other candidates for the very few number of jobs they were in, it isn't worth the trouble. Besides I have read on this thread cheating seems to he the o ly reason they ever won, although it did seem to stop after 2018 and they did win 107 games this year Hinch might get a coaching job but he won't manage in the major leagues. Luhnow has way too much baggage now. Maybe a lesser role out of the public eye for him, if that, but no one will let him run their club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, wegner said: The Yankees can beat up on the Twinkees all they want...they have no idea what is coming their way with the juggernaut that will be the Chicago White Sox!!! Looks like I have some company in the optimism department.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Quin said: So to be clear, people saying this is harsh... Jake Burger, Zack Collins, Gavin Sheets, Alec Hansen, a year suspension for Hahn and Renteria, and $5M isn't worth a World Series This depends on the draft. What if it was the Carlos Correa and George Springer back to back first round picks? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, bmags said: Would be amazing if Goldstein is hired as GM. He'll be part of the second wave of firings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'd be pissed if I was Cherington. Shoulda held out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/brian-t-smith/article/Smith-The-darkest-day-in-Astros-history-14971873.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Astros got off pretty easy, really. 4 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, ptatc said: This depends on the draft. What if it was the Carlos Correa and George Springer back to back first round picks? Considering the Astros are good, it's much more likely to be back of the draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Farquar really opened a pandoras box lol. Luhnow is an ass. Hinch the most overrated manager possible and Manfried sucks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, ptatc said: This depends on the draft. What if it was the Carlos Correa and George Springer back to back first round picks? First overall and 11th overall. Not 30th overall and somewhere between 25-30th overall. BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 What about stealing signs using binoculars in center field like Detroit had been doing for years? Also under Dombrowski’s watch. Where do they draw the line now Baseball should outfit the pitchers and catchers with wireless devices for signaling pitches. That should be easily doable, and save a little time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, chetkincaid said: The Mets should suspend Beltran for a year. Their GM is his former agent, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, Baker said: What about stealing signs using binoculars in center field like Detroit had been doing for years? Also under Dombrowski’s watch. Where do they draw the line now Baseball should outfit the pitchers and catchers with wireless devices for signaling pitches. That should be easily doable, and save a little time too. How do they get that information to a batter/baserunner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Wonder what Ozzie’s take is, since he’s so close to Cora’s brother...whose chance at managing has pretty much been doomed through guilt by association. And, did Renteria ever attend Camp Cora down in Florida with Alex also present, lol? Probably no such luck. Edited January 13, 2020 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Cora’s brother...whose chance at managing has pretty much been doomed through guilt by association. Which association? Ozzie or Alex? Maybe Joey Cora just didn't have what teams were looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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