StrangeSox Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Real "heck of a job, brownie" vibes on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Real "heck of a job, brownie" vibes on this one Jared Kushner, pre real estate gig? Joking. And just when I was starting to feel (a tiny bit) sorry for Azar...nah. Whiplash. Now Trump is arguing that Gov. Kemp is being too extreme about salons, barbers, tattoo and massage parlors...so protestors can now theoretically protest Trump’s attempted overriding of the governor’s disregarding of Trump’s own original Federal guidelines?? Is that like - x - = + or is it just a double negative? Doesn’t this feel like a set-up? Like a playing off of Gretchen Whitmer’s stringent guidelines in Michigan? GA deliberately selected businesses that would be provocative and are now are perceived to be “reasonably” backing off thanks to the wisdom and guidance of Trump? So GA can look more aggressive, ardently advocating to get people back to work...knowing they were going to back off all along? Alex Azar, the HHS Secretary, put his chief of staff Brian Harrison in charge of the coronavirus task force in late January 37-year-old Harrison has no medical, management or public health qualifications and was a professional labradoodle breeder He was called 'the dog breeder' by White House officials and seen as ineffective in running the task force Harrison said in a statement: 'Americans would be well served by having more government officials who have started and worked in small family businesses.' He sold his breeding business for $225,000; HHS budget is $1.3 trillion Azar started the crisis with a beard and has since shaved it off (wth?) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8247067/HHS-chief-Azar-aide-former-dog-breeder-steer-pandemic-task-force.html I’m honestly not sure which decision is worse, hiring him as Chief of Staff for the HHS Chief in the first place...or this one? Edited April 23, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayor-las-vegas-wants-open-154419267.html Las Vegas mayor (I) has brilliant idea to reopen casinos while providing them absolutely no guidance because that’s basically the free enterprise system, she’s doesn’t really know anything about the science but they can figure it all out. Literally rolling the dice on everyone’s lives to keep the tax revenue/tourism rollin’ in. “We’re offering to be a control group.” But one of her statisticians thought that might be a bad idea? She thought concerns (from China) about air conditioning potentially spreading the virus had no bearing or relevance...because, well, Las Vegas casinos, hotels, shows, shops and restaurants clearly don’t need to consider the ramifications of centralized air conditioning systems being in use. And should so many Americans currently struggling financially to make ends meet really be encouraged to book a trip? Some of the state lottery tickets being “essential” purchases is one thing, but that wasn't going to directly impact social distancing as much as serve as a regressive form of taxation. Apparently she hasn’t ever watched the first three minutes of Contagion. This is what the leading economic research has found,” he said, citing a research paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). “Back in the Great Depression, the United States banned and deported most immigrants from Mexico… this act made native unemployment worse in the Depression. This is because immigrants are the backbone of many industries that massively employ Americans. A few Americans took jobs opened up by the past barriers. But more Americans lost their jobs when the businesses that depended on immigrants folded.” In 2018, foreign-born workers accounted for approximately 14% of the American workforce. Even with exceptions for seasonal farm work and front-line health workers, Clemens said, “that doesn’t even begin to capture the ways that the public health battle and the economy depend on immigrants.” He continued: “Immigrants clean the hospitals, without which an Intensive Care Unit cannot operate. Immigrants render meat and ship it to grocery stores, without which Americans staying at home can’t make sandwiches. Immigrants are more than a third of U.S. bakers. They are 31% of the janitors and 20% of the delivery workers at grocery stores. They are 29% of all workers in food processing. If you’re self-isolating at home now, you almost certainly ate food processed by an immigrant this very morning.” https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-immigration-move-233544862.html Edited April 23, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 5:23 PM, Dick Allen said: Deaths are up to 41k. The hope that it could top out at 60k is looking pretty unlikely. Especially if you see how many people are out and about in the nicer weather, and really very few taking precautions. I would say maybe 1 in 5 wearing masks. Social distancing isn’t what it was. We have to finish the job or all our suffering will be for naught. Hey Dick, this concern about people not wearing masks troubles me. I can't find a mask anywhere to purchase. If people want to go to the stores and hoard them like they did toilet paper, there's nothing people like me can do to find a mask. Angers me that stores can't just sell masks. People are so damn greedy. Still no toilet paper in Kansas. Or masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 16 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayor-las-vegas-wants-open-154419267.html Las Vegas mayor (I) has brilliant idea to reopen casinos while providing them absolutely no guidance because that’s basically the free enterprise system, she’s doesn’t really know anything about the science but they can figure it all out. Literally rolling the dice on everyone’s lives to keep the tax revenue/tourism rollin’ in. “We’re offering to be a control group.” But one of her statisticians thought that might be a bad idea? She thought concerns (from China) about air conditioning potentially spreading the virus had no bearing or relevance...because, well, Las Vegas casinos, hotels, shows, shops and restaurants clearly don’t need to consider the ramifications of centralized air conditioning systems being in use. And should so many Americans currently struggling financially to make ends meet really be encouraged to book a trip? Some of the state lottery tickets being “essential” purchases is one thing, but that wasn't going to directly impact social distancing as much as serve as a regressive form of taxation. Apparently she hasn’t ever watched the first three minutes of Contagion. This is what the leading economic research has found,” he said, citing a research paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). “Back in the Great Depression, the United States banned and deported most immigrants from Mexico… this act made native unemployment worse in the Depression. This is because immigrants are the backbone of many industries that massively employ Americans. A few Americans took jobs opened up by the past barriers. But more Americans lost their jobs when the businesses that depended on immigrants folded.” In 2018, foreign-born workers accounted for approximately 14% of the American workforce. Even with exceptions for seasonal farm work and front-line health workers, Clemens said, “that doesn’t even begin to capture the ways that the public health battle and the economy depend on immigrants.” He continued: “Immigrants clean the hospitals, without which an Intensive Care Unit cannot operate. Immigrants render meat and ship it to grocery stores, without which Americans staying at home can’t make sandwiches. Immigrants are more than a third of U.S. bakers. They are 31% of the janitors and 20% of the delivery workers at grocery stores. They are 29% of all workers in food processing. If you’re self-isolating at home now, you almost certainly ate food processed by an immigrant this very morning.” https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-immigration-move-233544862.html I would certainly think tourism is dead for a long long time to come. Is Vegas airport actually accepting flights from all the countries with people who love to come to Vegas and New York? I thought Trump closed it down to non citizens. Can you imagine a crowded craps table or blackjack table? Casinos are going to be filled with the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 23 hours ago, bmags said: ugh. Really been a hard week. over 2000 new cases in illinois. The somewhat good news...we had over 9k test. And that is good news, that means it's essentially the same positive rate. And obviously in reality we knew we weren't capturing it all. But this is hard. I'll tell you what is really scary. This isn't typical flu/cold season either. Wait til late October through February. God help us. Better get the economy running with word there's about to be food shortages/meat shortages, etc. globally from what I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, greg775 said: Hey Dick, this concern about people not wearing masks troubles me. I can't find a mask anywhere to purchase. If people want to go to the stores and hoard them like they did toilet paper, there's nothing people like me can do to find a mask. Angers me that stores can't just sell masks. People are so damn greedy. Still no toilet paper in Kansas. Or masks. Buy a bandana and two hair ties. There are videos out there to assemble and voila, you have a mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, greg775 said: I'll tell you what is really scary. This isn't typical flu/cold season either. Wait til late October through February. God help us. Better get the economy running with word there's about to be food shortages/meat shortages, etc. globally from what I read. Take it a day at a time and stop reading about what could happen. When the science starts directing things to open, it will. With the exception of the homeless or those going to food shelters, how could there be food shortages with how things are right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1800 new cases in illinois, 9000 tests. We really did improve our testing capacity, still under goal. But yeah, we aren't going under 1k by end of april like I hoped on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 highly encourage reading this thread from Pritzker. SIP extended through may, but state parks opened up, retail stores allowed curbside service. Few more things, targeted reopening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Tony said: Please stop acting so helpless. https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes-personal-shopper/2020/04/20/these-face-masks-can-help-stop-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-and-theyre-available-right-now/#1c0a4d6c3936 It took me 8 seconds to open Google, search "Where to buy mask for coronavirus" and find that link. There are 1000 other links just like this one. Good luck with delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, The Beast said: Take it a day at a time and stop reading about what could happen. When the science starts directing things to open, it will. With the exception of the homeless or those going to food shelters, how could there be food shortages with how things are right now? Meatpacking plants are turning into perfect transmission settings. Low wage workers, limited space, management putting pressure on workers to cover up symptoms and come to work even if they're not feeling well. We've seen Iowa, South Dakota, and Indiana all have meatpacking plants shut down after this over just the past 3-4 days. We're not fully to harvest season yet even in California, but finding workers to clear fields and doing so in a manner that is even remotely safe will be a challenge, especially when the owners don't want to spend the money on protective equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, pcq said: Good luck with delivery. How to make a mask out of a destroyed T-Shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Meatpacking plants are turning into perfect transmission settings. Low wage workers, limited space, management putting pressure on workers to cover up symptoms and come to work even if they're not feeling well. We've seen Iowa, South Dakota, and Indiana all have meatpacking plants shut down after this over just the past 3-4 days. We're not fully to harvest season yet even in California, but finding workers to clear fields and doing so in a manner that is even remotely safe will be a challenge, especially when the owners don't want to spend the money on protective equipment. So what are the solutions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Flula Borg has you covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pcq said: Good luck with delivery. No way I'm ordering online. Ripoff jerks charging ten times the real price. Shaming for people for not wearing masks is a no no when masks aren't available. Edited April 23, 2020 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Meatpacking plants are turning into perfect transmission settings. Low wage workers, limited space, management putting pressure on workers to cover up symptoms and come to work even if they're not feeling well. We've seen Iowa, South Dakota, and Indiana all have meatpacking plants shut down after this over just the past 3-4 days. We're not fully to harvest season yet even in California, but finding workers to clear fields and doing so in a manner that is even remotely safe will be a challenge, especially when the owners don't want to spend the money on protective equipment. Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, The Beast said: So what are the solutions? 1. The owners of those places have to realize that they can either figure out what they need to protect their workers or shut down. It would be nice if they had a functioning federal government to assist. 2. Alternatively, things become more acute this summer and fall. I'd say the latter...seems somewhat more likely, but not guaranteed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, greg775 said: Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming. Household toilet paper demand has increased by about 80% over the past 2 months. It's not hoarding, it's actually that more people are at home and fewer people are at work, so people aren't using the bathroom at work. Unless you have one of the large industrial sized dispensers in your house, the factories have to retool to adjust to demand and that takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, greg775 said: Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming. Better buy a gun if you want to eat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 brb going to inject some disinfectant and then going to the tanning salon 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said: brb going to inject some disinfectant and then going to the tanning salon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoYoIsMyHero said: brb going to inject some disinfectant and then going to the tanning salon Probably thinks this because he is constantly tanning to get that orange glow except for the white goggle area around the eyes. Btw, Greg, the immigration hold on green cards is not directly correlated with international flights over the last 4-6 weeks...it’s more the lack of demand, intl. route cutbacks and limits on European flights, consolidation in the airline industry. Now 13 beef/pork processing plants shut down around the US, 30 deaths from that worker community. Roughly 15% of national pork production shut down. Edited April 23, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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