DisneyTaxDad Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Norway appears to be second guessing their lockdown: https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway-could-have-controlled-infection-without-lockdown-health-chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisneyTaxDad Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 All sources included: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisneyTaxDad Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This really emphasizes the point that Sweden did a poor job of protecting their LTC residents, however, most of the population did just fine: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, DisneyTaxDad said: All sources included: This chart seems to show Sweden who was consistently 3rd in deaths per million, now jumping to a tie for first. And none of this matters at all. The US has been terrible at it. To suggest that by doing less the US would have been better off is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: We're not seeing spikes or increases in cities that had massive protests. It wasn't 100% of course, but a lot of people at these protests have been wearing masks. Could be some indication that outdoors + masks really knocks down transmission potential if it continues to hold up. Masks always seem to be key, yet so many just refuse to wear them. If everyone did, we would be far better off right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The big rally on Saturday is so crazy, and like gassing peaceful protesters for a photo op, this is just to massage an ego. If one person gets sick because of the rally, all the enablers should be held responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bmags said: I truly don't know where you get your charts I looked into it, one of his from the last page came from some far right blog. The blogger did cite correct data, but used it in an intentionally misleading way to make it seem like Sweden is doing a much better job than in reality. It’s probably safe to assume that the rest of the graphs and charts being shared have been similarly arranged 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The big rally on Saturday is so crazy, and like gassing peaceful protesters for a photo op, this is just to massage an ego. If one person gets sick because of the rally, all the enablers should be held responsible. And depending on Trump's mood that day, it could get really ugly regarding masks. I think most of us can see Trump grabbing the mike and cracking some jokes about masks being for wimps or something. He shouldn't do that. Unfortunately this like EVERYTHING nowadays is political. No matter what some are saying about "most of the people" during the "peaceful" nightly marches and riots wore masks, that simply is very very debatable as far as being true. Cmon. There were and still are nightly protests and big time rallies and these should be called out for being huge spreaders of covid-19. Let's face it, Trump certainly is holding this and all rallies as a bit of a frick-you to the governors who turned the other way and NEVER. blasted the protestors for huge gatherings. It's a "get-even' by Trump for sure. What a world we live in, folks. ps. I saw this story AFTER my take. yes it's ALL political and Trump is getting the last laugh on the other side blasting him for holding rallies when the protestors break covid rules NIGHTLY. from yahoo On Tuesday’s episode of The View, Meghan McCain called out what she sees to be a double standard when it comes to two current hot-button issues: While President Donald Trump has been criticized for holding an upcoming rally in the midst of a pandemic, says McCain, those participating in nationwide protests haven’t been subject to the same criticism. “There’s a lot of hypocrisy to go around,” said McCain, “and this is one of the issues that I’m really enraged about.” While McCain made it clear that she thinks all large public gatherings are dangerous during this time, she made the point that Trump rally-goers are being treated differently than the protestors. “Is COVID a pandemic that we all have to stay sheltering in place and inside, or is it not?” she asked. “Or is it only a pandemic if you are a conservative and you’re a Trump supporter and then you have to stay inside, and you’re a hypocrite if you sign this waiver and you go into his rally?” The debate between the co-hosts grew testy, with Joy Behar sparring with McCain over Trump’s role in the handling of the pandemic. “If he hadn’t been so incompetent, we all probably would be out of this by now,” Behar said. McCain replied, saying, “This is an American problem, this is a problem that is bipartisan, this is not just a Trump administration problem.” And lest you think McCain was sticking up for Trump, she made it clear she was only bringing to light the unbalanced coverage, in her eyes. “I’m no Trump fan, everybody knows that,” she said. “But you make me defend him when you say things like ‘he wants people to die’, ‘he doesn’t care about public health.’” HOW CAN ANYBODY NOT ENDORSE MCCAIN's POSITION ON THIS? It is so hypocritical folks? You can't say the riots/protests are more important than other things, you just can't during COVID. Edited June 17, 2020 by greg775 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, greg775 said: And depending on Trump's mood that day, it could get really ugly regarding masks. I think most of us can see Trump grabbing the mike and cracking some jokes about masks being for wimps or something. He shouldn't do that. Unfortunately this like EVERYTHING nowadays is political. No matter what some are saying about "most of the people" during the "peaceful" nightly marches and riots wore masks, that simply is very very debatable as far as being true. Cmon. There were and still are nightly protests and big time rallies and these should be called out for being huge spreaders of covid-19. Let's face it, Trump certainly is holding this and all rallies as a bit of a frick-you to the governors who turned the other way and NEVER. blasted the protestors for huge gatherings. It's a "get-even' by Trump for sure. What a world we live in, folks. ps. I saw this story AFTER my take. yes it's ALL political and Trump is getting the last laugh on the other side blasting him for holding rallies when the protestors break covid rules NIGHTLY. from yahoo On Tuesday’s episode of The View, Meghan McCain called out what she sees to be a double standard when it comes to two current hot-button issues: While President Donald Trump has been criticized for holding an upcoming rally in the midst of a pandemic, says McCain, those participating in nationwide protests haven’t been subject to the same criticism. “There’s a lot of hypocrisy to go around,” said McCain, “and this is one of the issues that I’m really enraged about.” While McCain made it clear that she thinks all large public gatherings are dangerous during this time, she made the point that Trump rally-goers are being treated differently than the protestors. “Is COVID a pandemic that we all have to stay sheltering in place and inside, or is it not?” she asked. “Or is it only a pandemic if you are a conservative and you’re a Trump supporter and then you have to stay inside, and you’re a hypocrite if you sign this waiver and you go into his rally?” The debate between the co-hosts grew testy, with Joy Behar sparring with McCain over Trump’s role in the handling of the pandemic. “If he hadn’t been so incompetent, we all probably would be out of this by now,” Behar said. McCain replied, saying, “This is an American problem, this is a problem that is bipartisan, this is not just a Trump administration problem.” And lest you think McCain was sticking up for Trump, she made it clear she was only bringing to light the unbalanced coverage, in her eyes. “I’m no Trump fan, everybody knows that,” she said. “But you make me defend him when you say things like ‘he wants people to die’, ‘he doesn’t care about public health.’” HOW CAN ANYBODY NOT ENDORSE MCCAIN's POSITION ON THIS? It is so hypocritical folks? You can't say the riots/protests are more important than other things, you just can't during COVID. Then why choose Oklahoma, a state with a GOP governor where he has a very negligible chance of losing in November? Arizona and Florida also have GOP governors but are states that are in serious jeopardy 4+ months out...where they have held rallies and/or major fundraisers recently. Pence was just in Iowa, another state carried by 9 points. It has a bit more to do with some other factors, like Juneteenth and especially the 1920’s Greenwood/Black Wall Street riots/massacre. At one point, doing a speech on race relations at that moment (when it was scheduled) made sense to about half the members of the administration. The other half was bitterly opposed and thought it would turn into an unmitigated PR disaster, hence the pre-emptive change in date. Edited June 17, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Masks always seem to be key, yet so many just refuse to wear them. If everyone did, we would be far better off right now. some more stuff: Orlando airport tested around 500 employees, 260 came back positive. and, @greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, greg775 said: He shouldn't do that. Unfortunately this like EVERYTHING nowadays is political. No matter what some are saying about "most of the people" during the "peaceful" nightly marches and riots wore masks, that simply is very very debatable as far as being true. Cmon. There were and still are nightly protests and big time rallies and these should be called out for being huge spreaders of covid-19. So far, many of the cities that had major rallies in the North - Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Washington DC have avoided major spikes in case numbers, and they should be showing up right now if they were going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, StrangeSox said: We're not seeing spikes or increases in cities that had massive protests. It wasn't 100% of course, but a lot of people at these protests have been wearing masks. Could be some indication that outdoors + masks really knocks down transmission potential if it continues to hold up. Im wary to get too excited but 30 k tests today and only 560 new cases. 1.8% positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Then why choose Oklahoma, a state with a GOP governor where he has a very negligible chance of losing in November? Arizona and Florida also have GOP governors but are states that are in serious jeopardy 4+ months out...where they have held rallies and/or major fundraisers recently. Pence was just in Iowa, another state carried by 9 points. It has a bit more to do with some other factors, like Juneteenth and especially the 1920’s Greenwood/Black Wall Street riots/massacre. At one point, doing a speech on race relations at that moment (when it was scheduled) made sense to about half the members of the administration. The other half was bitterly opposed and thought it would turn into an unmitigated PR disaster, hence the pre-emptive change in date. Maybe I'm just dense but I have never heard of Juneteenth until this year. Never. I think this talk is just more partisan politics as always. Who the heck ever talked of Juneteenth before this political season of rallies? Pardon me if it's very common; I swear on a stack of Bibles I'd never heard of it before a week or two ago. Now it's everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, greg775 said: Maybe I'm just dense but I have never heard of Juneteenth until this year. Never. I think this talk is just more partisan politics as always. Who the heck ever talked of Juneteenth before this political season of rallies? Pardon me if it's very common; I swear on a stack of Bibles I'd never heard of it before a week or two ago. Now it's everything. Black people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: So far, many of the cities that had major rallies in the North - Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Washington DC have avoided major spikes in case numbers, and they should be showing up right now if they were going to happen. my biggest concern is that because it skewed so young many may be the prototype for asymptomatic carriers. If they haven't get tested they wouldn't show up but people they infect may appear in the next 15 days. That's why I was glad to see a big testing spike today as it had started to decline and my guess is that would be due to just population wanting the test going down. https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiYjUwNjEwN2QtYmJkYS00MTZmLTg4YjMtZGRkMzEzMmFmYjg4IiwidCI6IjcwMzZjZGE5LTA2MmQtNDE1MS04MTQ0LTk3ZGRjNTZlNzAyNyJ9 Also I got my answer. The previous day always shows up as 1 in the dashboard. However, Monday shows only 34 cases in Chicago, the only mondays I found that was lower than the sunday reports. So it's not just illinois not seeing a hot spot, Chicago is seeing massive decline now a full 2 weeks post protests. That is probably the bigger thing to hang its hats on and I know NYC is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 44 minutes ago, greg775 said: Maybe I'm just dense but I have never heard of Juneteenth until this year. Never. I think this talk is just more partisan politics as always. Who the heck ever talked of Juneteenth before this political season of rallies? Pardon me if it's very common; I swear on a stack of Bibles I'd never heard of it before a week or two ago. Now it's everything. This is one of the least surprising posts you have ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 More and more, it seems a consensus is building around the idea that for any given region once it has bent the curve down and gotten well below health care capacity limits, we would really just need: Masks in public spaces - indoors always, outdoors if unable to maintain distance Special treatment of and precautions in crammed in facilities, long-term care, and for specifically vulnerable populations Avoiding super-large crowd events especially if they involve a lot of vocalization or heavy breathing (concerts, pro sports, etc.) Washing your hands We could literally open up nearly everything else, if only we had a population that was willing to do the masking thing reliably (like 90% or better I guess). But no... there's that quarter or so of the population that have been conned into thinking wearing masks is some kind of conspiracy or made up thing. Other countries don't have that garbage (or at least have a lot less of it). So we in the US are stuck with these uneven and inconsistent lockdowns instead, damaging the economy even further and killing more people. Again... if you are in that quarter, GFY. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, greg775 said: Maybe I'm just dense but I have never heard of Juneteenth until this year. Never. I think this talk is just more partisan politics as always. Who the heck ever talked of Juneteenth before this political season of rallies? Pardon me if it's very common; I swear on a stack of Bibles I'd never heard of it before a week or two ago. Now it's everything. You came up with the $1 million reparations plan, but no Juneteenth? Kwanzaa sound familiar? I’m not sure saying “now it’s everything” makes much sense when it has been there all along in Wyandotte County, Wichita and pockets of the KU, KSU and WSU campuses. What’s shocking to me is that you weren’t paying attention to Fox News here... https://www.foxnews.com/us/what-is-juneteenth-the-history-behind-the-oldest-commemoration-of-the-abolishment-of-slavery-in-the-us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, NorthSideSox72 said: More and more, it seems a consensus is building around the idea that for any given region once it has bent the curve down and gotten well below health care capacity limits, we would really just need: Masks in public spaces - indoors always, outdoors if unable to maintain distance Special treatment of and precautions in crammed in facilities, long-term care, and for specifically vulnerable populations Avoiding super-large crowd events especially if they involve a lot of vocalization or heavy breathing (concerts, pro sports, etc.) Washing your hands We could literally open up nearly everything else, if only we had a population that was willing to do the masking thing reliably (like 90% or better I guess). But no... there's that quarter or so of the population that have been conned into thinking wearing masks is some kind of conspiracy or made up thing. Other countries don't have that garbage (or at least have a lot less of it). So we in the US are stuck with these uneven and inconsistent lockdowns instead, damaging the economy even further and killing more people. Again... if you are in that quarter, GFY. I’m still very concerned about bars, night clubs and churches even with masks. The drinking and dancing makes night clubs seem impossible especially on tracing. Id prefer they stick with the outdoor focus through sept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, bmags said: I’m still very concerned about bars, night clubs and churches even with masks. The drinking and dancing makes night clubs seem impossible especially on tracing. Id prefer they stick with the outdoor focus through sept. I have concerns too among some of those things, but they can be addressed with capacity limits. I'd rather go that route than keep those things closed until the fall. I realize of course some places won't comply, but I am also OK with some enforcement around that against businesses that don't follow the rules. Take away a few liquor or food licenses, publicize the hell out of the enforcement, and you will get a lot of places staying in line (though not all I am sure). Churches get a little more dicey that way but I think most, other than the megachurches run by money grubbers, will stick with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StateStSports Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, greg775 said: Maybe I'm just dense but I have never heard of Juneteenth until this year. Never. I think this talk is just more partisan politics as always. Who the heck ever talked of Juneteenth before this political season of rallies? Pardon me if it's very common; I swear on a stack of Bibles I'd never heard of it before a week or two ago. Now it's everything. I bet if Golden Corral or Old Country Buffet celebrated, you would be a historian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, StateStSports said: I bet if Golden Corral or Old Country Buffet celebrated, you would be a historian. These three elegant choices put your two options to shame, ?. But seriously, don’t they still teach Burning Kansas, The Missouri Compromise, John Brown, etc., in American History classes in US high schools? Hollywood Casino at Kansas Speedway 3.9 (4,966) · Buffet 777 Hollywood Casino Blvd · In Kansas Speedway Hollywood-themed gaming & dining Epic Buffet 3.3 (82) · Buffet 777 Hollywood Casino Blvd · In Kansas Speedway Temporarily closed Reservations required · Cash-only · Breakfast Marquee Cafe 3.9 (8) · Restaurant 777 Hollywood Casino Blvd · In Kansas Speedway Edited June 18, 2020 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StateStSports Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I went to University of Kansas undergrad. The Chinese buffets are decent but the people certainly are sheltered in the middle. Many of my friends are just as foolish as Greg with feelings like we are infringing on his personal liberty by trying to protect each other. Love thy neighbor goes a long way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 https://twitter.com/Complex/status/1273341809662595073?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1273341809662595073&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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