COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Obviously. It was a dumb ass string of comments and didn't make sense. This is nothing new. You seem to be missing my point, so let me try to be crystal clear this time. 

If you deduce that Trump is advising you to shoot up with bleach and you do so, you are a fucking moron and I have zero sympathy. 

 

The sad part is this is something I can easily see Joe Biden saying on accident. The poor guy can barely out coherent sentences together sometimes. It's going to be 4 more years of Trump and this nonsense because Joe freaking Biden managed to win the primary. 

Joe Biden has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation we are in.

Obama was one of the most eloquent speakers in recent history, but campaigning is not always the same thing as leading.  There was the common attack that ALL he could do was speak in terms of hope and aspirations (which was yet another backwards compliment, “surprise” at his articulateness).

Biden will have a strong cabinet and especially well-qualified VP candidate if he wants to be elected.

We need an inundation of the ONE quality he currently possesses in abundance, empathy and the ability to understand the problems of everyday people, to work across the aisle politically and reach out to repair relationships with former allies.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

Obama wearing a tan suit!

Without an American flag lapel pin!   

[greg775]

2 hours ago, Soxbadger said:

Im an optimistic person, but when I look at my kids, I wonder if on my watch our world got changed for the worse. I did my little part, I argued as hard as I could, but its still on my damn watch that this shit went down.

 

It's not your fault but this is a world-changing experience and it is all downhill from here. Why? Germs/virus. They are the hidden killers. And now that they have been proven effective you can bet the ugly countries of China, Russia and North Korea will be creating viruses to continue the work of COVID-19. It's all over and it's not pretty. The food shortages will bring violence and civil unrest. Now I can finally see why people didn't want to give up their guns despite the horror caused by them. They actually may be needed for protection if this thing goes where I envision it going (food shortages leading to fights in overnight lines at stores; invading people's homes, etc).

I will say I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong. I don't want the world to be a horrible place for the rest of time. I want happiness for all.

But when I read this virus isn't going away; will only worsen this winter and I see a torn apart country with people unwilling to make decisions for the common good but only poliltical agendas, well again badger, I say it's over. Suddenly, out of nowhere we've gone from a country whose worst problems were hurting people's feelings to a serious threat regarding the end of humankind. Just in a few weeks.

(If somebody can talk me off the ledge, please do. Maybe my negativity has been overwhelming since I have been kept from going to church the past six weeks and my mental state is affected by not getting to worship at my favorite place, church. I would love somebody to convince me I am wrong.

 I sense monetary disaster, riots, starvation and an all out germ warefare assault by our enemies (who most of america don't consider our enemies because that would be insensitive/racist). You better believe China wants us dead.

Edited April 24, 2020 by greg775

[greg775]

8 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Household toilet paper demand has increased by about 80% over the past 2 months. It's not hoarding, it's actually that more people are at home and fewer people are at work, so people aren't using the bathroom at work. 

Unless you have one of the large industrial sized dispensers in your house, the factories have to retool to adjust to demand and that takes time.

They are hoarding it in Lawrence Kansas I'll tell you that. Total selfishness. Students haven't been here for weeks, turning it into a ghosttown and still the toilet paper can't be found. The stores are packed every day/night. People here have panicked and been so selfish in buying up toilet paper, hand sanitizer, etc. Very sad I can't get any toilet paper in modern America.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

It's not your fault but this is a world-changing experience and it is all downhill from here. Why? Germs/virus. They are the hidden killers. And now that they have been proven effective you can bet the ugly countries of China, Russia and North Korea will be creating viruses to continue the work of COVID-19. It's all over and it's not pretty. The food shortages will bring violence and civil unrest. Now I can finally see why people didn't want to give up their guns despite the horror caused by them. They actually may be needed for protection if this thing goes where I envision it going (food shortages leading to fights in overnight lines at stores; invading people's homes, etc).

I will say I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong. I don't want the world to be a horrible place for the rest of time. I want happiness for all.

But when I read this virus isn't going away; will only worsen this winter and I see a torn apart country with people unwilling to make decisions for the common good but only poliltical agendas, well again badger, I say it's over. Suddenly, out of nowhere we've gone from a country whose worst problems were hurting people's feelings to a serious threat regarding the end of humankind. Just in a few weeks.

(If somebody can talk me off the ledge, please do. Maybe my negativity has been overwhelming since I have been kept from going to church the past six weeks and my mental state is affected by not getting to worship at my favorite place, church. I would love somebody to convince me I am wrong.

 I sense monetary disaster, riots, starvation and an all out germ warefare assault by our enemies (who most of america don't consider our enemies because that would be insensitive/racist). You better believe China wants us dead.

Why would any country want to wipe itself out in the process?   Russia would have nobody left to sell oil to...China would have no markets for its exports.  It’s like cutting off one’s nose to spite the face.  

It would just eventually lead to mutually assured destruction of the entire world through nuclear weapons...or, in the case of North  Korea, regime change or China having to take over and be a caretaker of it as an additional province.

In fact, you can make a legit argument that it would other normal circumstances actually bring the US together, to unite the people again like 9/11, fighting a common enemy.

For China, risking pariah state status after 5000 years of history waiting to get to precisely this point doesn’t make much sense, since many believe the US will inevitably be surpassed in the next 25-50 years anyway.  Why take that chance?  Even if they emerged as the  “#1 country in the world,” nobody would ever trust China again if the international community could prove they were complicit.

Edited April 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[bmags]

Elizabeth Warrens oldest brother died of coronavirus.

[The Beast]

7 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Obviously. It was a dumb ass string of comments and didn't make sense. This is nothing new. You seem to be missing my point, so let me try to be crystal clear this time. 

If you deduce that Trump is advising you to shoot up with bleach and you do so, you are a fucking moron and I have zero sympathy. 

 

The sad part is this is something I can easily see Joe Biden saying on accident. The poor guy can barely out coherent sentences together sometimes. It's going to be 4 more years of Trump and this nonsense because Joe freaking Biden managed to win the primary. 

Saying something on accident is one thing, believing and saying things consistently is another thing. Joe has some issues, but he will have a stronger administration than Trump does. 
 

Tell me Nostradamus, how do you know Biden will lose? How was him winning the primary worse than any of the others winning?

[The Beast]

1 hour ago, bmags said:

Elizabeth Warrens oldest brother died of coronavirus.

Very sad indeed. He served his country, which is admirable.

[The Beast]

5 hours ago, greg775 said:

It's not your fault but this is a world-changing experience and it is all downhill from here. Why? Germs/virus. They are the hidden killers. And now that they have been proven effective you can bet the ugly countries of China, Russia and North Korea will be creating viruses to continue the work of COVID-19. It's all over and it's not pretty. The food shortages will bring violence and civil unrest. Now I can finally see why people didn't want to give up their guns despite the horror caused by them. They actually may be needed for protection if this thing goes where I envision it going (food shortages leading to fights in overnight lines at stores; invading people's homes, etc).

I will say I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong. I don't want the world to be a horrible place for the rest of time. I want happiness for all.

But when I read this virus isn't going away; will only worsen this winter and I see a torn apart country with people unwilling to make decisions for the common good but only poliltical agendas, well again badger, I say it's over. Suddenly, out of nowhere we've gone from a country whose worst problems were hurting people's feelings to a serious threat regarding the end of humankind. Just in a few weeks.

(If somebody can talk me off the ledge, please do. Maybe my negativity has been overwhelming since I have been kept from going to church the past six weeks and my mental state is affected by not getting to worship at my favorite place, church. I would love somebody to convince me I am wrong.

 I sense monetary disaster, riots, starvation and an all out germ warefare assault by our enemies (who most of america don't consider our enemies because that would be insensitive/racist). You better believe China wants us dead.

I don’t believe in the notion that these countries are creating biological warfare, they would seem to be more about developing nuclear weapons for their arsenals.

Have you tried shopping at different stores in your area to get what you need? What about hardware stores for paper products? Or ordering toilet paper or paper towels online?

Lastly, I can understand missing your church and all that comes with it, but are you staying in touch with people you worship with or your pastor? Are the online services from related faiths helping?

[caulfield12]

34 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Saying something on accident is one thing, believing and saying things consistently is another thing. Joe has some issues, but he will have a stronger administration than Trump does. 
 

Tell me Nostradamus, how do you know Biden will lose? How was him winning the primary worse than any of the others winning?

Trump knows he’s losing right now, which is why he’s so desperate to get the economy restarted.

He’s behind in PA and Michigan by considerable margins, 2-3 points behind in WI (note recent state SC election loss) and it’s a dead heat in Florida, with his fate increasingly tied to how DeSantis handles the pandemic (results not so good so far).

He resents Biden staying at home in Delaware and not drawing as much media scrutiny, simultaneously knowing he can’t stand to give up his own daily spotlight.   Biden can very simply neutralize him by limiting debates to detached, online affairs...unless it looks like the race is tightening again.   Trump will get desperate to do in-person rallies, likely resulting in reinfections from either the Republican National Convention or scheduling an outdoor rally too soon.   Putting voters’ lives at risk isn’t going to play well, either.

That’s why he would have been smarter to get this dealt with as early as possible...now it’s too late.

Most voters make up their minds 5-6 months out.   75-80% of the voters’ minds are already made up.  He’s underwater with independents, seniors and, most important, is underperforming in battleground states compared to solid red or blue ones...a complete reversal of 2016.

And he is a laughingstock on Chinese social media about this UV light, disinfectant (Lysol already has issued a warning) tan your way out of coronavirus nonsense.   This hour’s most popular vid is him talking on this subject while the camera keeps panning to Dr. Birx’s increasingly chagrined, almost pained reaction.   

Edited April 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

Imo Trump should offer himself up as a test subject for all these miracle cures he keeps pushing. Just have him inject Lysol straight into his lungs in the briefing today, yolo

[Balta1701]

6 hours ago, greg775 said:

They are hoarding it in Lawrence Kansas I'll tell you that. Total selfishness. Students haven't been here for weeks, turning it into a ghosttown and still the toilet paper can't be found. The stores are packed every day/night. People here have panicked and been so selfish in buying up toilet paper, hand sanitizer, etc. Very sad I can't get any toilet paper in modern America.

As is usual you didn’t bother listening to me.

[ron883]

8 hours ago, Tony said:

But again you’re missing the point, which I guess at this point shouldn’t be a surprise. What’s worse, Biden saying it on accident, or Trump saying it on purpose? 

 

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

Saying something on accident is one thing, believing and saying things consistently is another thing. Joe has some issues, but he will have a stronger administration than Trump does. 
 

Tell me Nostradamus, how do you know Biden will lose? How was him winning the primary worse than any of the others winning?

Have you listened to the guy talk? Have you seen the videos of him sniffing and groping children/women? It's going to be an absolute bloodbath when he tries to debate Trump. 

Democrats will be less likely to vote for a guy with sexual assault/rape allegations. Not to mention he can barely string sentences together. Biden is toast. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Yearnin' for Yermin

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

 

Have you listened to the guy talk? Have you seen the videos of him sniffing and groping children/women? It's going to be an absolute bloodbath when he tries to debate Trump. 

Democrats will be less likely to vote for a guy with sexual assault/rape allegations. Not to mention he can barely string sentences together. Biden is toast. 

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

[NWINFan]

For all his bluster, Trump isn't a decisive leader. He often goes with what the last person tells him or he takes his hints from Fox News.

This is one situation he can't con his way out of. He can't keep lying or saying some stupid thing his base wants to grab onto. Tens of thousands of Americans are dying and falling back on his campaigning is no solution. 

It depresses me that Biden is our other choice. He has sexual allegations hanging over his head, and the guy says some weird things himself.  But Donald Trump doesn't belong in the White House. He never did. It is amazing that so many thought he had real solutions to real problems. This isn't a reality show. Performing to get ratings is not going to help.

[bmags]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

Very sad indeed. He served his country, which is admirable.

We were nearly at the point of putting my grandmother with alzheimers in assisted living this year and decided to give them more time per my grandfather.

So far I've been lucky with immediate family, because I don't think my dad could survive this. He's near 70 with diabetes and heart disease. It's one of those things where with all of them you are prepared for what's coming for all of them.

But I get so sad reading from the families who've had to deal with death during this time. The lack of funeral, the inability to be there. So important to have some feeling of closure and being there at the end for those relationships and just so terrible for them. 

Basically just talking through the idea that when we deal with the statistics of this, if my dad passed away from it it would be one of those "oh well it's only affecting people with multiple conditions". But dealing with it would be traumatic. Terrible times.

[bmags]

15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

The thing with BIden I definitely underestimated two years ago is many many people already feel like they know how he'll lead since he was just a VP during a time many of them supported. So this whole idea of trying to paint him negatively is going to be harder because he has some of the incumbent benefits without the negatives of being able to be campaigned against as a current incumbent.

[ron883]

26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

[hogan873]

30 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

For all his bluster, Trump isn't a decisive leader. He often goes with what the last person tells him or he takes his hints from Fox News.

This is one situation he can't con his way out of. He can't keep lying or saying some stupid thing his base wants to grab onto. Tens of thousands of Americans are dying and falling back on his campaigning is no solution. 

It depresses me that Biden is our other choice. He has sexual allegations hanging over his head, and the guy says some weird things himself.  But Donald Trump doesn't belong in the White House. He never did. It is amazing that so many thought he had real solutions to real problems. This isn't a reality show. Performing to get ratings is not going to help.

I hope that voters realize that a vote for Biden is a vote for a (hopefully) very strong VP and a competent cabinet.

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

Emm...practically running Bernie Sanders out of the election in the span of 2-3 weeks shows how willing they are to tack to the far far right of liberal/progressive.

Nobody is buying this Biden as socialist crap...not when AOC is arguing they really shouldn’t be in the same party, along with the likes of Joe Manchin and Doug Jones.

Trump’s scathing attacks on women (and female reporters) have gifted the middle of the road suburban soccer moms back to the Dems.   That’s not even counting the foreshadowed threats to ObamaCare, Medicare and Social Security were Trump to win (scaring the elderly to Biden as well).  The African Anerican turnout will beat HRC’s 2016 numbers by a wide margin.

Pete Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Hickenlooper seem like liberals in comparison.

The one big positive of this primary season is that he’s been forced just enough to the left that he’s not going to repel the Sanders/Warren/AOC progressive side of the party enough to prevent them from voting or going with a minor party protest candidate.

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

I think Trump made a big mistake lowering the expected death toll to 60k. He even mentioned 50k a couple of days ago. For his sake, he should have kept it where it was. Then if it is 60k, he looks about as good as a guy who previously said he shut it down and it wouldn't be a problem could look. It's clearly going over 60k, and by the time we actually go to the office, may be where they projected.

[Soxbadger]

8 hours ago, greg775 said:

It's not your fault but this is a world-changing experience and it is all downhill from here. Why? Germs/virus. They are the hidden killers. And now that they have been proven effective you can bet the ugly countries of China, Russia and North Korea will be creating viruses to continue the work of COVID-19. It's all over and it's not pretty. The food shortages will bring violence and civil unrest. Now I can finally see why people didn't want to give up their guns despite the horror caused by them. They actually may be needed for protection if this thing goes where I envision it going (food shortages leading to fights in overnight lines at stores; invading people's homes, etc).

I will say I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong. I don't want the world to be a horrible place for the rest of time. I want happiness for all.

But when I read this virus isn't going away; will only worsen this winter and I see a torn apart country with people unwilling to make decisions for the common good but only poliltical agendas, well again badger, I say it's over. Suddenly, out of nowhere we've gone from a country whose worst problems were hurting people's feelings to a serious threat regarding the end of humankind. Just in a few weeks.

(If somebody can talk me off the ledge, please do. Maybe my negativity has been overwhelming since I have been kept from going to church the past six weeks and my mental state is affected by not getting to worship at my favorite place, church. I would love somebody to convince me I am wrong.

 I sense monetary disaster, riots, starvation and an all out germ warefare assault by our enemies (who most of america don't consider our enemies because that would be insensitive/racist). You better believe China wants us dead.

 

Greg,

I do share a portion of the blame. Perhaps if I had done more I could have convinced more people to vote against Trump. I knew the danger that he posed, but I tried to be optimistic that the institutions of the US were strong enough to check the President. That at the worst case scenario we would have 4 years of chaos that resulted in stagnation. I was wrong. With competent leadership we wouldnt be here. We should be the SK and Germany of the world, but instead I am having to go online and try and refresh websites to try and obtain certain supplies that are scarce. 

 

26 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

If you vote for Trump youre not a moderate. History will make it very clear, if anything, we were not critical enough of Trump for the previous 3 years.

[southsideirish71]

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

 

[Jose Abreu]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The one big positive of this primary season is that he’s been forced just enough to the left that he’s not going to repel the Sanders/Warren/AOC progressive side of the party enough to prevent them from voting or going with a minor party protest candidate.

 

I wouldn’t be so sure. COVID has certainly and understandably dominated the news, but I’ve seen a lot of talk about non-voting or third party votes from progressives/democratic socialists, especially since the Tara Reade allegations.

[Soxbadger]

10 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

 

I believe the theory is that you reduce the cases to a low enough number that you can trace and isolate them to stop the out of control spread.

The problem is that the US is so behind on testing. That is why everyone needs to be calling on the federal govt to step up their response and increase testing immediately. The fed has wasted almost 5 months now. We should be reopening, but without a competent federal govt who knows what will happen.