COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

I wouldn’t be so sure. COVID has certainly and understandably dominated the news, but I’ve seen a lot of talk about non-voting or third party votes from progressives/democratic socialists, especially since the Tara Reade allegations.

If those voters watched the press conference yesterday and still vote in a way that enables Trump to hold onto power...then NOTHING will convince them.

It means they would essentially prefer to re-elect a President with, what, 27-30 allegations from various women, numerous payoffs, obvious and incontrovertible connections with Epstein, etc.

If Warren is named as VP and the Sanders agenda gets highlighted as much as possible without a national convention...things will smooth out simply because the House of Representatives and Senate wouldn’t get anything significant accomplished during another four years of Trump.

It also means Ivanka Trump running in 2024 against Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.

 

Update:  US Pork supply now down 24% and beef 10%.

Edited April 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

37 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I think Trump made a big mistake lowering the expected death toll to 60k. He even mentioned 50k a couple of days ago. For his sake, he should have kept it where it was. Then if it is 60k, he looks about as good as a guy who previously said he shut it down and it wouldn't be a problem could look. It's clearly going over 60k, and by the time we actually go to the office, may be where they projected.

Sometimes I wonder if he just states everything, that way he can always take credit for being right.  Its either that or he doesn't remember what he said before.

[ron883]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

If those voters watched the press conference yesterday and still vote in a way that enables Trump to hold onto power...then NOTHING will convince them.

It means they would essentially prefer to re-elect a President with, what, 27-30 allegations from various women, numerous payoffs, obvious and incontrovertible connections with Epstein, etc.

If Warren is named as VP and the Sanders agenda gets highlighted as much as possible without a national convention...things will smooth out simply because the House of Representatives and Senate wouldn’t get anything significant accomplished during another four years of Trump.

It also means Ivanka Trump running in 2024 against Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

I believe the theory is that you reduce the cases to a low enough number that you can trace and isolate them to stop the out of control spread.

The problem is that the US is so behind on testing. That is why everyone needs to be calling on the federal govt to step up their response and increase testing immediately. The fed has wasted almost 5 months now. We should be reopening, but without a competent federal govt who knows what will happen. 

This is where the US failed more than anything in the two months between the situation getting serious in China and the outbreak really getting to pandemic standards in March.  Even if we didn't have preparations in place, such as testing, facilities, and PPE, those two months were when we should have been ramping up.  The Congressional Brief's were scary enough that multiple members of Congress sold stock against it, so even if a few randomly selected public statements were trying to be soothing, there was plenty of information indicating that the Government people who actually understood this stuff knew this was really serious and really dangerous.

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

Politicians sell out there morals to win and gain power.  Everything about Mike Pence is contra to Donald Trump.  Given the opportunity, he jumped in a heartbeat, and is one of his biggest cheerleaders today.

[Jose Abreu]

5 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

One could argue that the entire Democratic Party is already doing so by embracing and endorsing a rapist, so I guess it wouldn't surprise me if the VP pick is seen as progressive.

[bmags]

21 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

 

the orders buy us time to:

- Ramp up testing

- Build up medical bed capacity

- Build up PPE

You are currently at 20% of tests showing as positive. That's missin ga lot and still indicating we are still testing only based on symptoms. When we get down to something like 2-3% ideally then we'll be much better at preventing massive growth.

We are currently at 1-2k per day at current levels. If you open up it goes much higher very quickly. By the end of may they expect a decline in those numbers through the build up of PPE ideally into places like plants, groceries, first responders and medical professionals. 

We are in better shape from where we were in march but not that much better in terms of infrastructure. They added 10k or so beds. But testing at 8k is still not where it needs to be, and ppe is still limited to medical professionals though from my friends anecdotes it has not been rationed among first line workers recently.

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sometimes I wonder if he just states everything, that way he can always take credit for being right.  Its either that or he doesn't remember what he said before.

Now he can simply blame Brian Kemp in Georgia (still hard to imagine losing the state, maybe 25% likelihood if there’s a huge second wave that shuts everything down or even a combined fall/winter Covid/flu one), DeBlasio, Hogan, Pritzker, Polis in Colorado, etc.    And “coastal elites” in general...

Another immense problem is he’s already tethered to DeSantis in FLA.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, bmags said:

the orders buy us time to:

- Ramp up testing

- Build up medical bed capacity

- Build up PPE

You are currently at 20% of tests showing as positive. That's missin ga lot and still indicating we are still testing only based on symptoms. When we get down to something like 2-3% ideally then we'll be much better at preventing massive growth.

We are currently at 1-2k per day at current levels. If you open up it goes much higher very quickly. By the end of may they expect a decline in those numbers through the build up of PPE ideally into places like plants, groceries, first responders and medical professionals. 

We are in better shape from where we were in march but not that much better in terms of infrastructure. They added 10k or so beds. But testing at 8k is still not where it needs to be, and ppe is still limited to medical professionals though from my friends anecdotes it has not been rationed among first line workers recently.

also important is we need a national strategy on these because when our southern states decide the doors are open and they don’t have testing or isolation capacity, they are going to create 5 or 10 more peaks in their own states, and those will be exported along the roads. But since that’s not happening....well...

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

I think so...because her expertise in economics/consumer protection/law is going to come in especially handy going into Great Depression II, not to mention her policy wonkiness covers for some of his obvious weaknesses.

Whitmer, Klobuchar and Harris continue to hover near top, with Cortez Masto (NV) and Lujan Grisham (NM) in the underdog position.

[Harry Chappas]

The virus almost seems manufactured in that younger people and kids in some cases are not only immune to the virus but unable to even carry it especially with how cancer and autoimmune disorders are increasing and not sparing these age groups.   

I am not saying it is a conspiracy but it will make for a fascinating read someday.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I think so...because her expertise in economics/consumer protection/law is going to come in especially handy going into Great Depression II, not to mention her policy wonkiness covers for some of his obvious weaknesses.

Whitmer, Klobuchar and Harris continue to hover near top, with Cortez Masto (NV) and Lujan Grisham (NM) in the underdog position.

That is also one reason why we want Warren in the Senate where she is working on legislation.

Also important, Massachusetts has a Republican Governor, so if Warren gives up that seat in January then when the Republicans decide that deficits are bad and vaccines shouldn’t go to people who can’t afford them like they did in the last crisis, that vote is huge.

Stacy Abrams avoids many of those issues and is probably just as well prepared, although less experienced.

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

One could argue that the entire Democratic Party is already doing so by embracing and endorsing a rapist, so I guess it wouldn't surprise me if the VP pick is seen as progressive.

Nobody is “embracing.”  It’s all about winning an election, pure pragmatism.

Should we question every Christian who voted for Trump after two divorces and all his affairs that he bragged about on Howard Stern or with Billy Bush?  They were simply voting on abortion rights and tax policy/government deregulation.   You really think they believed for a minute he was even familiar with the Bible?

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

The virus almost seems manufactured in that younger people and kids in some cases are not only immune to the virus but unable to even carry it especially with how cancer and autoimmune disorders are increasing and not sparing these age groups.   

I am not saying it is a conspiracy but it will make for a fascinating read someday.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

The young are absolutely carrying it and still dying, just at lower rates. They make great transmitters, as no one is spending tests on them. A group of UT Austin students went to Mexico on spring break and 50 tested positive when they got back. Tests are so rare that 20 year olds usually aren’t the sickest so they don’t get them.

one of the interesting things I’ve seen in the past week is that even if it isn’t putting them in the hospital, it seems like the virus damages a bunch of other systems like kidneys and liver and circulatory system. So even the people who have few to no symptoms could have internal damage that takes years off their life down the road.

[Harry Chappas]

I was talking more of younger kids.  It was a discussion of grammar school aged and how this thing is changing daily.

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

That is also one reason why we want Warren in the Senate where she is working on legislation.

Also important, Massachusetts has a Republican Governor, so if Warren gives up that seat in January then when the Republicans decide that deficits are bad and vaccines shouldn’t go to people who can’t afford them like they did in the last crisis, that vote is huge.

Stacy Abrams avoids many of those issues and is probably just as well prepared, although less experienced.

She’s too brazenly politicking for it, and she did lose to Kemp, which looks like O’Rourke losing to Cruz in TX now.  She also aligned herself with Sanders from the beginning.

If they really thought she could tip GA or Florida to the Dems, then they will definitely consider it.

Klobuchar isn’t inspiring at all, her Midwest advantage isn’t as crucial to the Dems for now...Whitmer’s coronavirus response makes her a Trump target and she’s still relatively inexperienced, so it comes back to Warren or Harris IMO. 

[Balta1701]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

She’s too brazenly politicking for it, and she did lose to Kemp, which looks like O’Rourke losing to Cruz in TX now.  She also aligned herself with Sanders from the beginning.

If they really thought she could tip GA or Florida to the Dems, then they will definitely consider it.

Klobuchar isn’t inspiring at all, her Midwest advantage isn’t as crucial to the Dems for now...Whitmer’s coronavirus response makes her a Trump target and she’s still relatively inexperienced, so it comes back to Warren or Harris IMO. 

I’d be fine with Harris. We cannot give Trumps party a Senate seat.

[pcq]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

,Biden may be a stumblebumb but he has been that way a long time. He is in better physical health and doesn't say crazy things like Trump. I don't see where Trump has an advantage in a debate. There may not be one. Or we could just go with Beavis v Butthead. 

[pcq]

Just now, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

Nobody but you attempted to deflect criticism about the suggested new treatment. Your words have spoken for you. 

[Balta1701]

 

 The Onion is trending because they wrote this a month ago.

[Dick Allen]

Trump now saying he was being sarcastic with the injecting Lysol stuff yesterday. 

[Kyyle23]

2 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

People arguing with you online shouldn't drive you away.   Policy and actions should.  If someone being confrontational with you over a candidate gives you the sads and makes you want to vote for a different candidate, you really aren't voting seriously imo

[StrangeSox]

 

[The Beast]

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

That was my first thought and response to him. 

[The Beast]

2 hours ago, hogan873 said:

I hope that voters realize that a vote for Biden is a vote for a (hopefully) very strong VP and a competent cabinet.

Bingo. And I will vote for Biden so his VP will become president through his term.