StrangeSox Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, bmags said: ye gods, maybe we are finally turning the corner in Illinois. While testing again declined, only 1,266 cases reported on 12500 tests, a 10% positive rate, after a decline yesterday put it at 12%, which was a 2% decline from the day prior. It is unlikely to be this precipitous, but we've had a number of successes from the 20k tests in a day a few days ago to real declines for the first time in a month. https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/covid19-statistics Tuesdays have consistently been the "catch up" days for lower weekend numbers, so we'll probably see total tests jump back up tomorrow. If the positive rate stays low, that'll be a great sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: Tuesdays have consistently been the "catch up" days for lower weekend numbers, so we'll probably see total tests jump back up tomorrow. If the positive rate stays low, that'll be a great sign. definitely for deaths, but I haven't seen it be much different in regard to %positive or cases though end of weeks definitely tend to see our biggest test #s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, bmags said: ye gods, maybe we are finally turning the corner in Illinois. While testing again declined, only 1,266 cases reported on 12500 tests, a 10% positive rate, after a decline yesterday put it at 12%, which was a 2% decline from the day prior. It is unlikely to be this precipitous, but we've had a number of successes from the 20k tests in a day a few days ago to real declines for the first time in a month. https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/covid19-statistics Honerstly, I think the biggest danger for Illinois right now is the states around them starting to open up again. Indiana is a huge flow of vacation time and get aways for people from Illinois. Once this gets cranking up around here again, and then the out of state crowd starts showing up to bring it back home again, this is will be ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/rv-sales-surge-during-coronavirus-lockdown-orders I'm a little surprised but it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Honerstly, I think the biggest danger for Illinois right now is the states around them starting to open up again. Indiana is a huge flow of vacation time and get aways for people from Illinois. Once this gets cranking up around here again, and then the out of state crowd starts showing up to bring it back home again, this is will be ugly. Depends on the activities, housing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: Depends on the activities, housing, etc. The malls are opening up already. Beaches are opening back up. The casinos will not happen to June, but it is coming. The ones that scare me are the ones with crowds, and those are the big 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Most overrated song ever. Kevin Mathews had a better version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The malls are opening up already. Beaches are opening back up. The casinos will not happen to June, but it is coming. The ones that scare me are the ones with crowds, and those are the big 3. I keep hearing this in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, bmags said: Depends on the activities, housing, etc. 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: The malls are opening up already. Beaches are opening back up. The casinos will not happen to June, but it is coming. The ones that scare me are the ones with crowds, and those are the big 3. My next door neighbors are already going to Indiana every weekend to get away from the oppressive Illinois regime. All of this is going to be for nothing because some people cant give up eating in a restaurant and walking their dog in a public place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, Soxbadger said: My next door neighbors are already going to Indiana every weekend to get away from the oppressive Illinois regime. All of this is going to be for nothing because some people cant give up eating in a restaurant and walking their dog in a public place. And the fun part is we have an executive order that anyone coming from out of state is supposed to self-quarantine for 14 days before going any where public. But there is literally zero enforcement mechanism so as you can imagine, our parking lots are filled with Illinois license plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And the fun part is we have an executive order that anyone coming from out of state is supposed to self-quarantine for 14 days before going any where public. But there is literally zero enforcement mechanism so as you can imagine, our parking lots are filled with Illinois license plates. A friend of mine in Hawaii posted a story of a honeymoon couple there that kept telling the hotel manager they were allowed to go out. They were arrested for ignoring the self-quarantine order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Texsox said: A friend of mine in Hawaii posted a story of a honeymoon couple there that kept telling the hotel manager they were allowed to go out. They were arrested for ignoring the self-quarantine order. Which is why Hawaii currently sports a 30-35% UNE number. Almost 20% higher cost of living, but revenue streams drying up. Essentially, what amounts to a total ban except for the richest of celebs and 1%ers due to that 14 day initial quarantine making it a three week commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chisoxfn Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: I'm doing grocery runs and Dr. runs and that's it for anything other than walking the dog. But it's clearly noticeable how there are fewer masks and fewer precautions than even 2 weeks ago here. I'd say 1/3 of Kroger and 60% of Aldi customers had masks. I had masks, gloves, and a sanitizer strategy, and will for the foreseeable future apparently. We can see people having familial get-togethers in our neighborhood. I seriously feel like "luck" is the plan at this point here because everyone's convinced it's over and wasn't a big deal to begin with, and maybe that works but...? I go back to....we probably can't get everyone to be as extreme as what is asked so behaviorally you have to be careful of what you wish for. We could say we do X and it is all done, but I don't think our society handles that. However, we should have everyone wearing masks in public places (indoors). If you are outdoors and away from people, that is up to each person and what they are comfortable, but until this goes away I think just having everyone wearing masks when indoors and/or tight spacing is huge to reduce transmission amongst asymptomatic carries (and people who just skirt the rules and go out anyway). I think you get more general buy-in and long term effectiveness (outside of jailing people - which I don't think as a country will go over well) if you open things slowly but require masks, etc vs. go cold turkey or force people to make up their own minds. I just don't see why anyone would really complain about wearing a mask if they are given more flexibility to do what they are comfortable with (obviously within reasoning and with right testing in place). I think one of the keys to some of the countries successes have been around the widespread use of masks. In hindsight, if we shutdown a bit more rapidly and required masks faster, I think we would be in a much better spot, having not experienced a New York and talking about how we might be able to regionally contain this bugger. We haven't and I know I'm in the minority on this board (but when I talk to my neighbors and others, I seem to be in the majority) who believe there is a balance to everything when it comes to how much everything needs to be shut down but that analysis has to be given very targeted and careful considerations that weight fewest loss of lives and LT economic considerations (and this has to include considerations of what high unemployment rates & LT stay effect stay home has on individuals underlying health (emotional and physical). This includes fact that there is just elevated mortality from people not actually seeing dr's and getting normal treatment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I go back to....we probably can't get everyone to be as extreme as what is asked so behaviorally you have to be careful of what you wish for. We could say we do X and it is all done, but I don't think our society handles that. However, we should have everyone wearing masks in public places (indoors). If you are outdoors and away from people, that is up to each person and what they are comfortable, but until this goes away I think just having everyone wearing masks when indoors and/or tight spacing is huge to reduce transmission amongst asymptomatic carries (and people who just skirt the rules and go out anyway). I think you get more general buy-in and long term effectiveness (outside of jailing people - which I don't think as a country will go over well) if you open things slowly but require masks, etc vs. go cold turkey or force people to make up their own minds. I just don't see why anyone would really complain about wearing a mask if they are given more flexibility to do what they are comfortable with (obviously within reasoning and with right testing in place). I think one of the keys to some of the countries successes have been around the widespread use of masks. In hindsight, if we shutdown a bit more rapidly and required masks faster, I think we would be in a much better spot, having not experienced a New York and talking about how we might be able to regionally contain this bugger. We haven't and I know I'm in the minority on this board (but when I talk to my neighbors and others, I seem to be in the majority) who believe there is a balance to everything when it comes to how much everything needs to be shut down but that analysis has to be given very targeted and careful considerations that weight fewest loss of lives and LT economic considerations (and this has to include considerations of what high unemployment rates & LT stay effect stay home has on individuals underlying health (emotional and physical). This includes fact that there is just elevated mortality from people not actually seeing dr's and getting normal treatment. I agree with much of this. People should not be complaining about wearing masks. But people feel intense pressure and our society is beginning to crack. I don't think strict stay-at-home orders are going to work. People fear for their jobs and can't stand the penned in feeling. It would have helped if we had some real leadership in the beginning, but we've been down that road before. My daughter works at a restaurant and the place wants her back working on Wednesday. I'd rather she didn't go. It would at least help if the place would limit the number of people, but I don't know if that can be counted on. Right now, I'd rather her refuse to go back, lose her unemployment, and then I'll make up the difference. I just don't think many businesses will be responsible, and that scares the hell out of me. It is amazing, that after all these deaths, many aren't taking this thing seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 hours ago, greg775 said: Sort of. The mask is thinner to cover the mouth and nose but each side like this picture has two straps. @Iwritecode He answered a question! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 hours ago, bmags said: ye gods, maybe we are finally turning the corner in Illinois. While testing again declined, only 1,266 cases reported on 12500 tests, a 10% positive rate, after a decline yesterday put it at 12%, which was a 2% decline from the day prior. It is unlikely to be this precipitous, but we've had a number of successes from the 20k tests in a day a few days ago to real declines for the first time in a month. https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/covid19-statistics I appreciate your updates. Are tests only given to people with symptoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I go back to....we probably can't get everyone to be as extreme as what is asked so behaviorally you have to be careful of what you wish for. We could say we do X and it is all done, but I don't think our society handles that. However, we should have everyone wearing masks in public places (indoors). If you are outdoors and away from people, that is up to each person and what they are comfortable, but until this goes away I think just having everyone wearing masks when indoors and/or tight spacing is huge to reduce transmission amongst asymptomatic carries (and people who just skirt the rules and go out anyway). I think you get more general buy-in and long term effectiveness (outside of jailing people - which I don't think as a country will go over well) if you open things slowly but require masks, etc vs. go cold turkey or force people to make up their own minds. I just don't see why anyone would really complain about wearing a mask if they are given more flexibility to do what they are comfortable with (obviously within reasoning and with right testing in place). I think one of the keys to some of the countries successes have been around the widespread use of masks. In hindsight, if we shutdown a bit more rapidly and required masks faster, I think we would be in a much better spot, having not experienced a New York and talking about how we might be able to regionally contain this bugger. We haven't and I know I'm in the minority on this board (but when I talk to my neighbors and others, I seem to be in the majority) who believe there is a balance to everything when it comes to how much everything needs to be shut down but that analysis has to be given very targeted and careful considerations that weight fewest loss of lives and LT economic considerations (and this has to include considerations of what high unemployment rates & LT stay effect stay home has on individuals underlying health (emotional and physical). This includes fact that there is just elevated mortality from people not actually seeing dr's and getting normal treatment. There is a balance that I would be okay with, but from what I have read from a former Illinois state legislator’s friends and supporters and from a conservative columnist’s readers and friends, there isn’t much balance that they want, at least in Illinois. It seems like they want to go 0-60 without many restrictions. Any restrictions are a violation of their civil liberties and so some think the governor should be recalled and things should open up the way they were. I’m not sure I would call that balance, but I could get on board with some of their ideas if they presented an actual plan to be debated. A targeted and gradual approach to re-opening makes sense, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, The Beast said: I appreciate your updates. Are tests only given to people with symptoms? Sheer volume says it should be more open than that but a lot of testing centers by me that have been written about in papers say that you need symptoms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I just know my wifes work is supposedly sending everyone back to the office last week of May / 1st week of June (with no real changes in precautions). I'm to the point where I'm going to tell her to quit because I think what they are doing is absurd (and because we have a child-care need that they are ignoring and currently no childcare is available for us - not that I would send my kids aggressively before it would be safe). She should be able to work from home and continue to work from home (as she can effectively work remote and I believe in the cases we can effectively work remotely, we should be having people do exactly that). I think every company that can should be doing that (as it will help ensure for those jobs who can't that we are creating paths for them to get back to work faster and in a more sustained environment). And it means we can prioritize "child care" normalization for those who are essential 1st (i.e., 1st line responders and people whose total economic livelihood depends on them being in a retail setting). For example, I am in a similar situation as her (but obviously work at a different company) and I will be WFH through at least September. I have told people who work for me who have childcare / elderly care issues during these times that those items will be prioritized and if need be, I'll support WFH longer (what do I care where the work is done as long as it is done and done right). I expect them to do their job and those expectations don't change but I certainly am going to give them the flexibility to handle key family situations (as that is 1st priority). I'm glad I'm not put in a position where my organizations view(s) around people and treatment in this scenario don't align with my personal views as it would put me in a tough position (and for those who haven't figured it out by now, I'm not a shy individual when it comes to my opinion - even when it differs from the majority). PS: I absolutely hate working from home and don't like the idea of doing it for another 3 months while juggling everything else. I would much rather be at the office today, etc, as to accomplish what i need to on a daily basis, it takes me more time now than it did, but you know what, I'll live with it cause I'm lucky to have a job (*knock on wood*) and its a small price relative to what others are actually going through. I know one day things will get back to normal and if I did what I could to ensure that "normal" comes sooner vs. later and with the least amount of aggregate pain, than I can look at myself in the mirror with a straight face (and better yet be proud of how I've treated those indirectly dependent on me (i.e., my team). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, bmags said: Sheer volume says it should be more open than that but a lot of testing centers by me that have been written about in papers say that you need symptoms. My bride works for Northwestern. They are testing people with symptoms, and people that have upcoming procedures planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, turnin' two said: My bride works for Northwestern. They are testing people with symptoms, and people that have upcoming procedures planned. Sounds right, I wonder if the drive-thru centers are more liberal with appointments. I also know some immediate care places like the one downtown on michigan ave have testing, for places like that maybe it's whomever schedules an appt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Texsox said: A friend of mine in Hawaii posted a story of a honeymoon couple there that kept telling the hotel manager they were allowed to go out. They were arrested for ignoring the self-quarantine order. They will ship you out of state if you break the strict 14 day quarantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 So this is pretty good: https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/testing-guidance Testing is also available for those with or without symptoms who: Work in a health care facility Work in correctional facilities, such as jails or prisons Serve as first responders, such as paramedics, emergency medical technicians, law enforcement officers or firefighters Support critical infrastructure, such as workers in grocery stores, pharmacies, restaurants, gas stations, public utilities, factories, childcare and sanitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, bmags said: definitely for deaths, but I haven't seen it be much different in regard to %positive or cases though end of weeks definitely tend to see our biggest test #s. DPH has a good website, you can see daily testing towards the bottom. It's pretty lumpy overall with a weekly pattern in tests done per day. I don't think % positive has varied like that, though. https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/covid19-statistics This low weekend/Mondays with Tuesday spikes is being seen globally not just Illinois fwiw Edited May 12, 2020 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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