COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[The Beast]

4 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Do we have video evidence of Trump saying this? Or was it an unnamed source?

The White House doesn’t deny it:

https://apnews.com/fdda2ff0b877416c8ae1c1a77a3cc425/Trump:-Why-allow-immigrants-from-'shithole-countries'

[The Beast]

4 hours ago, greg775 said:

The interviewer in Friday's controversial interview asked him about a black woman being VEEP and Biden said he's considering many black women. I've read other stories where it will be a black woman. I want somebody qualified because that person will be president someday. Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris. Can you guys be honest and tell me you are not scared of his choice of Abrams. My gosh, at this moment odds are at least 50-50 of her being president someday. Did you see the TV show in which she and Biden appeared and the host and Abrams thought he was going to ask her to be VEEP candidate? Nobody still can figure out why Biden wanted her on the show with him. She was not asked at the time. He's not going to pick Warren but reluctantly she would be my choice but only after Michelle Obama. Why the hell not?? Convince her to do it. She won't only be VEEP, she'll be president soon enough. She is smart; everybody loves her. Barack can help advise if she seeks his help.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/854433511/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-potential-running-mates-for-joe-biden?fbclid=IwAR2lrU9CBHCYYDO1xQb2vCT27QPu5Q5Y8qq575uVwF9ISUHO_nzqcC4YuGE

Greg, read this. Knock yourself out, but it is going to be one of these women.

Why can’t Harris handle it? Why do you feel the need to bring up Abrams repeatedly? She likely doesn’t have the experience needed and won’t be the pick. Why the hell are you so anxious about her being the VP? You also didn’t read what I said about Obama. She doesn’t want to be in politics. If they chose Warren, Trump would love it and could label Biden and her as a socialist. Warren needs to be a senator because the Republican Governor will replace her with someone from his party, plain and simple.
 

3 hours ago, greg775 said:

I don't mind Biden. I think he'll be OK settling things down after 4 years of the egoist Trump if he does not have dementia (notice the interviewer Friday had that as his first question) but without a doubt if this was somebody else they'd leave the race today for what was said. He's survived this gaffe again, but I don't know how it can be deemed anything but truly an offensive statement to African Americans. 

The fact it was a joke at the END of the short interview makes it less offensive because it can be construed as an interview ending joke. But had a fringe candidate said it, bye bye, you are out of the race.

You’re ridiculous. Look at the context without your own feelings and bias. He was being lighthearted at the end and made a random and stupid comment. It will be used in attack ads but it will blow over and the whataboutism wars will persist.

Edited May 23, 2020 by The Beast

[ron883]

35 minutes ago, The Beast said:

The White House doesn’t deny it:

https://apnews.com/fdda2ff0b877416c8ae1c1a77a3cc425/Trump:-Why-allow-immigrants-from-'shithole-countries'

They'd be working 24/7 if they had to deny everything the fake news media put out there

[Two-Gun Pete]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

I despised Harris' demeanor in the debates: I felt she had a win at all cost attitude and was as cocky a person (in interviews too) I've ever seen. Very entitled. Only playing the race card. Went after Biden in a sneaky way. Trump-ish in her ego.

I prefer some experience in government to be "qualified." Successful experience. For instance I think Pence would be fine. The only thing I like about Trump is I feel he loves America and is out for American interests always in his trade deals and his bossing around of other countries. 

Holy fucking shit. So, Harris having won statewide office in a state that's bigger than most countries doesnt count as qualified?

Having won a Senate seat from that same state doesnt count as qualified?

Having been a major party candidate for POTUS doesnt count as "qualified?"

 

Greg, i understand that you, like all of us have PREFERENCES. Your preferences =/= "qualified."

 

(I keep expecting more from greg, but I keep ending up disappointed.)

[Jack Parkman]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-says-jeff-bezos-043959235.html
 

To get back on track, at least closer to Covid-related effects, try this one, Greg.   This one hits home in Iowa or Kansas.

I also know you often quote Bill Maher, he’s about as close to right-center as it gets.   Amazon probably has an equal number of critics on the right and the left, but it and Wal-Mart are profitability and tax/health insurance avoidance behemoths that are arguably threatening our way of life as monopolies.

What say ye?

 

In America, at least since the 1980’s S&L crisis, we “privatize gains and socialize losses.”

 

Thank you. This needs to stop...now. 

[bmags]

1 hour ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

He ain't wrong. She's wayyy more of an establishment candidate than Bernie, despite what she wants her fans to believe. 

I don’t think her fans liked her because they thought she was anti establishment.

[caulfield12]

Fake News?  Julio and James Franco, 2020.

And he’s wearing a mask!  And better bat speed at 61 than most of the 2000-2015 White Sox Top 10 prospects.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=29210934

 

 

As you follow this thread, you’ll notice it’s from China...and is already shrouded in controversy, even if it was to be distributed freely.  Fwiw, this testing group is out ahead of Oxford, Sanofi (France) and Moderna (which might just be a pyramid scheme, caveat emptor).

Edited May 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[The Beast]

3 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

They'd be working 24/7 if they had to deny everything the fake news media put out there

Green?

[greg775]

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-says-jeff-bezos-043959235.html
 

To get back on track, at least closer to Covid-related effects, try this one, Greg.   This one hits home in Iowa or Kansas.

I also know you often quote Bill Maher, he’s about as close to right-center as it gets.   Amazon probably has an equal number of critics on the right and the left, but it and Wal-Mart are profitability and tax/health insurance avoidance behemoths that are arguably threatening our way of life as monopolies.

What say ye?

 

In America, at least since the 1980’s S&L crisis, we “privatize gains and socialize losses.”

 

I'm OK with Maher. Thanks for posting that. It's very interesting topic. Yeah I share Bill's concerns. I also want to shop in real stores. I dunno. Is Bezos a real p---k in real life? I'd call him in if I were Donald and talk person to person about how Bezos is ruining our country. Is Bezos that big a d--k that he'd rebel or work with Trump? I'm OK with Maher. I liked him on Stern especially when he gave his take on never being married. He made a good point about not EVER wanting to be tied down. He wants to be able to do what he wants to do always when he wants to do it. In his mind, no wife, no strife.

[greg775]

6 hours ago, The Beast said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/854433511/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-potential-running-mates-for-joe-biden?fbclid=IwAR2lrU9CBHCYYDO1xQb2vCT27QPu5Q5Y8qq575uVwF9ISUHO_nzqcC4YuGE

Greg, read this. Knock yourself out, but it is going to be one of these women.

Why can’t Harris handle it? Why do you feel the need to bring up Abrams repeatedly? She likely doesn’t have the experience needed and won’t be the pick. Why the hell are you so anxious about her being the VP? You also didn’t read what I said about Obama. She doesn’t want to be in politics. If they chose Warren, Trump would love it and could label Biden and her as a socialist. Warren needs to be a senator because the Republican Governor will replace her with someone from his party, plain and simple.
 

You’re ridiculous. Look at the context without your own feelings and bias. He was being lighthearted at the end and made a random and stupid comment. It will be used in attack ads but it will blow over and the whataboutism wars will persist.

That article scares the bleep out of me. One of those individuals will be our president. The only one qualified is Warren. If Joe has to pick an African American and that by all accounts is the case, then it's Kamala or Abrams for sure. Do u folks truly, honestly want one of those two to be president the next 6-7 years when Joe steps down for health reasons if he has to?? I don't like her at all, but if I had to pick one from that article, I guess it'd be Warren and I despise her.

Folks ... anything can happen and if we had a real convention this year instead of a virtual convention on Zoom cause of Corona I think Hillary or Michelle still might run. Hillary more than Michelle. She'd like nothing bette than to swoop in and grab the nomination cause this time it's an automatic win over Trump.

[greg775]

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

Edited May 24, 2020 by greg775

[Kyyle23]

3 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

What?   Your entire premise sucks.   

[Dick Allen]

5 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

A high school pool party in Arkansas just created a cluster of cases. 2 hair stylists exposed more than 140 people. Rogue church gatherings have created hot spots. Why does stupidity elsewhere warrant opening up churches to kill more?  You must be trolling. You and your loved ones should just defy the dictators and do what you want. Just remember you were warned of the consequences of your actions, so don’t feel sorry for yourself or ask for pity when what you have been told will happen actually happens. All you should get is a big thank you from everyone for making this worse and extending everyone else’s suffering.

[caulfield12]

Four reasons for the rush to reopen churches...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/churches-reopening-state-orders-trnd/index.html
 

"The Catholic Church asks their members to contribute by dropping money in the basket every week," Zech said. "They don't ask them to tithe, typically don't ask them to pledge, typically they just ask them to contribute through the collection basket. Of course that means that if (parishioners) are not there, then they're not contributing."

That's critical, he added, because few churches have sources of revenue beyond contributions from parishioners.

More than 12,000 Catholic churches in the US applied for small business loansfrom the federal government, according to Pat Markey, executive director of the Diocesan Fiscal Management Conference (DFMC). Approximately 6,000 parishes were approved in the first round of the Paycheck Protection Program, while 3,000 received loans in the second round, DFMC estimated in early May.

Some churches have asked members to contribute electronically while in-person services are suspended. But Zech said the percentage of those who are making payments online is relatively low.

[The Beast]

8 hours ago, greg775 said:

That article scares the bleep out of me. One of those individuals will be our president. The only one qualified is Warren. If Joe has to pick an African American and that by all accounts is the case, then it's Kamala or Abrams for sure. Do u folks truly, honestly want one of those two to be president the next 6-7 years when Joe steps down for health reasons if he has to?? I don't like her at all, but if I had to pick one from that article, I guess it'd be Warren and I despise her.

Folks ... anything can happen and if we had a real convention this year instead of a virtual convention on Zoom cause of Corona I think Hillary or Michelle still might run. Hillary more than Michelle. She'd like nothing bette than to swoop in and grab the nomination cause this time it's an automatic win over Trump.

Political candidates all have flaws because of long careers and what is found in opposition research. You can think what you want about those candidates, but your views are not representative of the entire voting block. I’d rather give voters more credit to analyze candidates for the nomination and come up with better reasoning for why they think multiple candidates would be fits rather than relying on celebrities or the former First Lady (who again, has no interest in politics) to be the Vice President. Give some people more credit than just focusing on one person, a celebrity and former First Lady.

You seem so concerned about the VP pick, yet you seem to think that an actual convention would involve both First Ladies and believe it is an automatic win over Trump? Wow.

[Kyyle23]

Ah man the tax free money train stopped rolling whatever will these churches do

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Political candidates all have flaws because of long careers and what is found in opposition research. You can think what you want about those candidates, but your views are not representative of the entire voting block. I’d rather give voters more credit to analyze candidates for the nomination and come up with better reasoning for why they think multiple candidates would be fits rather than relying on celebrities or the former First Lady (who again, has no interest in politics) to be the Vice President. Give some people more credit than just focusing on one person, a celebrity and former First Lady.

You seem so concerned about the VP pick, yet you seem to think that an actual convention would involve both First Ladies and believe it is an automatic win over Trump? Wow.

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

[Jose Abreu]

33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

In spite of my jab at her on the last page, I think Warren is the best option for the reasons you laid out. That said, I would prefer her to be at the top of the ticket and not Biden, but that’s obviously not happening

[Two-Gun Pete]

46 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

Quick question for you, Caulfield:

 

Where do you fall on the political spectrum? Are you a Bernie Bro, Center-left, Cemter-Right, or a fox news kool-ader?

 

(Once you answer that, THEN feel free to comment on the following.)

You are a good poster, with much to add here. But your suppositions about the VP pick, particularly vis a vis Warren are YOUR opinions posed as fact. You seem to be able to cite links for everything except your opinion on the VP pick. (You strangely have no links when you pimp Warren's chances, yet you have links for everything else you post.)

Warren would be a craptastic and moronic pick for Biden, IMO. For a variety of reasons, she would be terrible. For as much as you (and others) b**** about Biden's self-pwnage over the past few days, so too has Warren self-pwned herself as well.

 

That said, this crisis means we need a fvkxing grownup to fvkxing run this country. We're reopening this country, yet I think scant attention is paid to how to prevent a recurrence of outbreaks. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Two-Gun Pete

[southsider2k5]

8 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

 

[Jerksticks]

10 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

It’s almost like our top experts knew this was going to happen so they decided on a flatten the curve policy instead of a quarantine policy.  

[greg775]

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Four reasons for the rush to reopen churches...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/churches-reopening-state-orders-trnd/index.html
 

"The Catholic Church asks their members to contribute by dropping money in the basket every week," Zech said. "They don't ask them to tithe, typically don't ask them to pledge, typically they just ask them to contribute through the collection basket. Of course that means that if (parishioners) are not there, then they're not contributing."

That's critical, he added, because few churches have sources of revenue beyond contributions from parishioners.

More than 12,000 Catholic churches in the US applied for small business loansfrom the federal government, according to Pat Markey, executive director of the Diocesan Fiscal Management Conference (DFMC). Approximately 6,000 parishes were approved in the first round of the Paycheck Protection Program, while 3,000 received loans in the second round, DFMC estimated in early May.

Some churches have asked members to contribute electronically while in-person services are suspended. But Zech said the percentage of those who are making payments online is relatively low.

Zech doesn't know squat. We make pledges every year and fulfill the pledge. They mail you envelopes. I put in money each week to fulfill the pledge. You don't have to make a pledge to be a member. Only something like 40 percent give any money. However, if you aren't a member you can't have a wedding there, etc. You have to sign up and be a member to use the services. I heard our church did OK in getting the pledge money the first month; last month people didn't fulfill their pledges much as we are not a rich parish and they needed the money for food, toilet paper.

Yes churches are hurting for money. I'm sure some worse than others. I was upset the doors were slammed shut two months but I fulfilled my donation, calming down and realizing it wasn't their fault we were locked down. We also had and still are having virtual mass online for those uncomfortable going to Mass.

Sure the churches need money. Sure we have problems like the lowlifes who abused kids and hopefully all got caught and are rotting in jail. But churches aren't opening only cause they need $$ although they do need cash and some probably will have to close for good now.

[greg775]

4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Ah man the tax free money train stopped rolling whatever will these churches do

Churches are hurting like most 'businesses.' You make a pledge but they don't kick you out for not paying up. This past month I heard our fulfilled pledges were scant. As far as the tax free thing ... college athletics are exempt too. Why not take the tax break if it's allowed? Our church for 40 years has been run by Cap Franciscans. Look them up. They have no possessions, none. Only exception is if they are a working pastor or priest then can have a car paid for by the parish. Not all churches are rolling in dough. Although have there been massive scandals? Sure.

[Dick Allen]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Churches are hurting like most 'businesses.' You make a pledge but they don't kick you out for not paying up. This past month I heard our fulfilled pledges were scant. As far as the tax free thing ... college athletics are exempt too. Why not take the tax break if it's allowed? Our church for 40 years has been run by Cap Franciscans. Look them up. They have no possessions, none. Only exception is if they are a working pastor or priest then can have a car paid for by the parish. Not all churches are rolling in dough. Although have there been massive scandals? Sure.

Trump demanded churches be open today. Surprised he passed on a chance to attend  choosing to golf again instead.

[NWINFan]

23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Trump demanded churches be open today. Surprised he passed on a chance to attend  choosing to golf again instead.

Why am I not surprised? Both, that he wasn' t in church and that he was on the golf course. He is such a fine Christian.