COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[StateStSports]

1 minute ago, greg775 said:

Demands? That deserves a chuckle. I've never made any demands on here. I just happen to think the peaceful protests and the unpeaceful ones are the biggest reason for the spike and the governors offend me by never mentioning it or even acknowledging it.

The governors are basically begging protesters to get tested. They have OPENLY called for that and admitted they are scared due to the large amounts of people. It’s a double swan at the moment for better or worse. 

[The Beast]

2 hours ago, StateStSports said:

The governors are basically begging protesters to get tested. They have OPENLY called for that and admitted they are scared due to the large amounts of people. It’s a double swan at the moment for better or worse. 

This I will acknowledge.

[caulfield12]

I'm over 60. Stop talking about coronavirus 'culling' me

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/opinions/insensitive-coronavirus-comments-most-vulnerable-people-adler/index.html

 

Coronavirus: Beijing reports 36 new local cases, all with links to Xinfadi food market

Capital has confirmed 43 local cases since Thursday, before which it hadn’t had any for 55 days

China reported 57 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Sunday, the biggest one-day total in two months.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3088989/coronavirus-beijing-reports-36-new-local-cases-all-links-xinfadi

Edited June 14, 2020 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, greg775 said:

Demands? That deserves a chuckle. I've never made any demands on here. I just happen to think th

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

This I will acknowledge.

e peaceful protests and the unpeaceful ones are the biggest reason for the spike and the governors offend me by never mentioning it or even acknowledging it.

Sure, do that...as long as you test everyone in the US who protested at state capitols and all those who reopened businesses before CDC guidelines.

Well, that’s just part of the problem, because those guidelines were never given a punishment mechanism to underpin them.

What about all the police officers and National Guard/military police who refused to wear masks sheerly for political reasons?

 

And when they do get a vaccine, watch the GOP governors run for the hills in terms of mandated vaccinations in order for students to return to schools  (when it does become readily available.)   Of course, they (anti-vaxxers) still demand government programs/subsidies despite their continued willingness to endanger the lives of so many others, so please make sure they don’t receive waivers of liability in the future.

[Texsox]

On 6/13/2020 at 1:30 AM, greg775 said:

I'll probably never get to eat a delicious buffet again because of this.

I'm guessing culinary tourism isn't a thing there in Kansas. 

How about dropping the Greg trolling act and register a different user name and start over? Isn't playing a country bumpkin getting tiring? 

[caulfield12]

16 minutes ago, Texsox said:

I'm guessing culinary tourism isn't a thing there in Kansas. 

How about dropping the Greg trolling act and register a different user name and start over? Isn't playing a country bumpkin getting tiring? 

https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=buffets&find_loc=Lawrence%2C+KS
Since Greg has been on an anti-China crusade these days, that might wipe out approximately 1/3rd of his buffet options.  Golden Corral occupying #6 and #11.  Italian sounds good!

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/14/missing-data-veils-coronavirus-damage-to-minority-communities-316198

The coronavirus’ brutal impact on African Americans and other minorities may never be fully known because of consistent gaps in gathering data on race and ethnicity that persist more than four months into the pandemic.

Despite rising pressure on the Trump administration to fix the data deficits, 52% of reported coronavirus cases in the U.S. are still missing information on race or ethnicity. Recent federal guidance on gathering more of that data through testing won’t start until August.

 

 

 

[Balta1701]

If people are still interested in how this spreads, here's a paper looking at clusters in Japan. Take home messages:

-Hospitals, bars, restaurants, concerts, gyms, choir/singing practice/church, transportation (planes), and "Ceremonial functions" are the places where large clusters occurred.

-1/2 of the clusters started because of someone aged 20-39, with the greatest likelihood of starting a cluster being someone 20-29.

-Only 40% of the people who started large clusters showed symptoms at the time they started a cluster

-Only 1 of 22 clusters started with someone who already had a cough, the clusters started before coughs developed. 

-Typical time from cluster starting to onset of symptoms was 1-3 days.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article

 

The recipe for how to beat this thing is right there, if we could get people to actually care.

[greg775]

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=buffets&find_loc=Lawrence%2C+KS
Since Greg has been on an anti-China crusade these days, that might wipe out approximately 1/3rd of his buffet options.  Golden Corral occupying #6 and #11.  Italian sounds good!

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/14/missing-data-veils-coronavirus-damage-to-minority-communities-316198

The coronavirus’ brutal impact on African Americans and other minorities may never be fully known because of consistent gaps in gathering data on race and ethnicity that persist more than four months into the pandemic.

Despite rising pressure on the Trump administration to fix the data deficits, 52% of reported coronavirus cases in the U.S. are still missing information on race or ethnicity. Recent federal guidance on gathering more of that data through testing won’t start until August.

 

 

 

No Golden Corral or Country Kitchen ever for me. My buddy got deathly sick at one and a friend's wife at another, both years ago. Can't bring myself to either.

[soxfan49]

2 hours ago, greg775 said:

No Golden Corral or Country Kitchen ever for me. My buddy got deathly sick at one and a friend's wife at another, both years ago. Can't bring myself to either.

All buffets are gross. I took many culinary classes in college and the professors, all who come from that background, told horror stories on the cleanliness and food safety of those establishments. 

[caulfield12]

7 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

All buffets are gross. I took many culinary classes in college and the professors, all who come from that background, told horror stories on the cleanliness and food safety of those establishments. 

We have a joke around SE Asia about never going to a buffet where there’s a large Chinese tour bus/group because they will descend like a plague of locusts and wipe out all the crabs/crab legs in seconds...invariably piling a ginormous portion on the plate at one time instead of waiting to go back.

(Since I have a Chinese wife and live here...I defy anyone to come up with a countervailing example that doesn’t come from a $400+/elite hotel.)

Ironically, Sizzler is considered fine dining in Thailand, and Shakey’s Pizza thrives in the Philippines (a blast from the past.)

[greg775]

7 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

All buffets are gross. I took many culinary classes in college and the professors, all who come from that background, told horror stories on the cleanliness and food safety of those establishments. 

Disappointing to hear. At the kansas speedway about 20 miles from here the buffet was (I doubt it'll ever open again, corona) amazing. The salad appeared crisp and fresh; the meats were not gross; the pizza was good; the rice and chicken appeared amazing; everything seemed fresh and good. But I take your word for it; if it's nasty, it's nasty. I'm telling you though ... that buffet is soooooo good.

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Disappointing to hear. At the kansas speedway about 20 miles from here the buffet was (I doubt it'll ever open again, corona) amazing. The salad appeared crisp and fresh; the meats were not gross; the pizza was good; the rice and chicken appeared amazing; everything seemed fresh and good. But I take your word for it; if it's nasty, it's nasty. I'm telling you though ... that buffet is soooooo good.

Was it by any chance advertised on Fox or Fox News Channel?  Your exuberance seems over the top...like a certain someone describing the state of the economy.

[YoYoIsMyHero]

27 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Disappointing to hear. At the kansas speedway about 20 miles from here the buffet was (I doubt it'll ever open again, corona) amazing. The salad appeared crisp and fresh; the meats were not gross; the pizza was good; the rice and chicken appeared amazing; everything seemed fresh and good. But I take your word for it; if it's nasty, it's nasty. I'm telling you though ... that buffet is soooooo good.

what

[Heads22]

https://www.kake.com/story/42222206/report-details-virus-outbreaks-in-kansas

 

Outbreaks in Kansas, including at a church

[caulfield12]

Billions or trillions: The great coronavirus trade-off

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/billions-or-trillions-the-great-coronavirus-tradeoff-122132084.html

 

If billions of dollars sounds like a ton of money for a vaccine, consider how much the coronavirus will cost the U.S. (never mind the rest of the world), $8 trillion on lost economic activity.  

Interestingly MIT’s Sharp was most concerned about this economic fallout: “I'm personally in the long term concerned about the economic displacement,” Sharp told me. “I think that's going to be very consequential. I hope not. But if we have unemployment at 10% at the end of the year, it'll make this virus infection seem trivial.”

Question: Would we have been in better shape if we hadn’t defunded a few billion of vaccine research and preparation over the past few years? Answer: What do you think?

Edited June 15, 2020 by caulfield12

[StateStSports]

It is incredible the amount of fear porn in our world. I truly understand the physical, emotional and financial tolls that this is taking but is it continuos. I wonder if scientists are like sports reporters where they are looking for their fame via social and have hatred for other parts of their field.

 

[Jack Parkman]

In sports related covid news.......

Edited June 15, 2020 by Jack Parkman

[greg775]

6 hours ago, Heads22 said:

https://www.kake.com/story/42222206/report-details-virus-outbreaks-in-kansas

 

Outbreaks in Kansas, including at a church

Thanks for the link. Our church has so few people the last five weeks at my Mass of choice it's really dumb to have Mass at all. We can't sing. It can't go more than 45 mins. Our go about 25 to 30 minutes with no music. The 25 peeps who have been going to my mass are all seated away from each other except there's a family of five up front in one row and a couple husband and wives together. I find myself not even concentrating on the Mass as it reminds me of when I was an altar boy as a kid working the 7 a.m. Mass with no music and no peeps in the crowd. I just concentrate on my relatives who have died and any friends who have died and pray for them. I don't see why we cant have music and a real Mass. Nobody's going amyway. Twenty two peeps in a huge old church are not many.

[Iwritecode]

31 minutes ago, greg775 said:

it's really dumb to have Mass at all.

I agree. You can do all that stuff from home over a video-chat.

[Dick Allen]

The new phenomenon by me is people not wearing masks but holding them. What’s the point? It looks like the research is showing wearing masks seems to be extremely important. But you don’t want to bother anyone who thinks this is a hoax. Might as well drag this out as long and as painful as possible If everyone would wear masks, and had been wearing masks, this actually might be close to about as over as it could be without a vaccine.

When VP Pence said in April that by Memorial Day the virus would be behind us. I thought he actually meant it would really be behind us, not just the federal government acting like it is gone.

[greg775]

36 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The new phenomenon by me is people not wearing masks but holding them. What’s the point? It looks like the research is showing wearing masks seems to be extremely important. But you don’t want to bother anyone who thinks this is a hoax. Might as well drag this out as long and as painful as possible If everyone would wear masks, and had been wearing masks, this actually might be close to about as over as it could be without a vaccine.

When VP Pence said in April that by Memorial Day the virus would be behind us. I thought he actually meant it would really be behind us, not just the federal government acting like it is gone.

I think people hold them in case they need to put it on if they are going somewhere that will deny entry without the mask. They don't want to wear a mask but will if it allows them entry to the bar, the church, the store. Putting it in one's pocket seems unsanitary so they hold it. 

Like I will need one at our library if it ever opens so I'll bring one there to put on before I go in. I already have it on when I approach the church door cause it's required. I'll look at a grocery store before I go in. If nobody's wearing a mask I'll usually leave it in the car. I am not crazy about masks cause they pick up dust and germs everyplace the mask resides before you put it on. 

But as far as holding it, it seems cleaner than putting it in one's pocket.

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

I think people hold them in case they need to put it on if they are going somewhere that will deny entry without the mask. They don't want to wear a mask but will if it allows them entry to the bar, the church, the store. Putting it in one's pocket seems unsanitary so they hold it. 

Like I will need one at our library if it ever opens so I'll bring one there to put on before I go in. I already have it on when I approach the church door cause it's required. I'll look at a grocery store before I go in. If nobody's wearing a mask I'll usually leave it in the car. I am not crazy about masks cause they pick up dust and germs everyplace the mask resides before you put it on. 

But as far as holding it, it seems cleaner than putting it in one's pocket.

"I looked in and saw the grocery store was on fire. Before going in, I therefore lit 3 other fires, just to make sure."

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/larry-kudlow-unemployment-disincentive-600-033358224.html?bcmt=1
 

President Donald Trump’s economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Sunday vowed an end to an extra $600 a week in unemployment payments for the jobless, calling it a “disincentive to work” — assuming there is work.

Kudlow’s dismissive attitude about the payments amid massive unemployment amid the COVID-19 pandemic was a dramatic contrast to his defense of the Payment Protection Plan for businesses, which can use the forgivable public loans to pay exorbitant executive salaries.

He insisted to Jake Tapper on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the extra unemployment aid “might have worked for the first couple of months,” but “it’ll end in late July.”

Kudlow insisted that “almost all businesses ... understand” that the $600 additional benefit is “a disincentive” to work. “I mean we’re paying people” without jobs “not to work,” he added. “It’s better than their salaries would get.”

He said the Trump administration is considering a “reform measure” that might provide an incentive to return to work — but that it won’t be as much.

 

Left unsaid is that they will lose all benefits if called back to work, many have still not received any money due to bureaucratic hurdles and millions will never have jobs to return to EVER again at the end of July.   Yet he doesn’t want any oversight on the hundreds of billions gifted to corporate America by Treasury and the Fed.  Seems like we’re back to same arguments about lazy Americans who don’t want to work from the 1980’s playbook.
 

 

 

[bmags]

Illinois has another best day.

2.5% pos rate, less than 500 new cases.

Also a three day stretch of less than 30 deaths.

For so long IL was on this horrendously slow decline while other states seemed to solve it. It’s very weird being now one of the few states still seeing falling rates.

[StateStSports]

8 minutes ago, bmags said:

Illinois has another best day.

2.5% pos rate, less than 500 new cases.

Also a three day stretch of less than 30 deaths.

For so long IL was on this horrendously slow decline while other states seemed to solve it. It’s very weird being now one of the few states still seeing falling rates.

Can we just put a bubble around the state?