The Beast Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Thought I would share since this interview made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, StrangeSox said: normal country All the news about the vaccine has been great, but all this hostility and anger toward mask wearing is not good at all. It doesn't help that Trump is so anti-mask, and goes around saying the vaccine is an immediate cure. That is not true. The virus is still going to spread and it will be worse if the public doesn't want to take pre-cautions. As usual, there is no leadership coming from the White House. In fact, just the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, NWINFan said: All the news about the vaccine has been great, but all this hostility and anger toward mask wearing is not good at all. It doesn't help that Trump is so anti-mask, and goes around saying the vaccine is an immediate cure. That is not true. The virus is still going to spread and it will be worse if the public doesn't want to take pre-cautions. As usual, there is no leadership coming from the White House. In fact, just the opposite. And Biden isn't going to change that. His supporters were generally already wearing a mask the Trumpers will continue to not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Texsox said: And Biden isn't going to change that. His supporters were generally already wearing a mask the Trumpers will continue to not I don't know how any president affects personal behavior, but it will be good not to have misinformation and ignorance coming out of the White House. Also, if I were Biden, I wouldn't occupy the White House or have my staff work there until it is cleaned from top to bottom. That would show this Trump-type idiocy will not continue. At the very least, it would show that people should not be willing to spread this disease just because they want to live in denial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 It looks like Pfizer's effectiveness at first dose is pretty good at 80-85%. If J&J ends up lower than that with a single dose, I wonder if there isn't pressure to just make Pfizer a one-dose vaccine to cover more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 The difference between 80% effective and 95% effective is enormous, though. Especially if there's any sterilizing effects that'll actually halt transmission chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And not one word from POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: And not one word from POTUS. You made that sound like a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 4 hours ago, StrangeSox said: The difference between 80% effective and 95% effective is enormous, though. Especially if there's any sterilizing effects that'll actually halt transmission chains. Unfortunately we don't have unlimited quantities so there are some basic trade-offs one whether we'd want a larger portion waiting until q3 to get any vaccine, or if now any vaccine under 95% is not good enough and isn't allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, bmags said: It looks like Pfizer's effectiveness at first dose is pretty good at 80-85%. If J&J ends up lower than that with a single dose, I wonder if there isn't pressure to just make Pfizer a one-dose vaccine to cover more people. Where did you see that? Quote The document describes the efficacy of Pfizer's vaccine in the time between the first and second dose as 52.4%, but the document notes that "the efficacy observed after Dose 1 and before Dose 2, from a post-hoc analysis, cannot support a conclusion on the efficacy of a single dose of the vaccine, because the time of observation is limited by the fact that most of the participants received a second dose after three weeks." https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-08-20-intl/h_adca135a0dc79384b4b7847e03bc37b3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Two to three months of more than three thousand people dying every single day from COVID. I'm glad my wife's district has again pushed back the start of in person school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Three thousand more dead every day from now until st patrick's day Open'r up Edited December 11, 2020 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Quote What's True Some daily death totals from COVID-19, including in December 2020, have been remarkably high by historical standards. Several days have seen more deaths recorded from COVID-19 than resulted from the attacks on Pearl Harbor, and a few days have come close to reaching the number of fatalities that resulted from the 9/11 terrorist attacks. What's False The ranking in the meme omits certain natural disasters whose death tolls were greater than the daily totals incurred from COVID-19. And at the peak of the 1918 influenza pandemic, daily death totals, if they were formally recorded, would have exceeded the daily death totals resulting from COVID-19 in 2020. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/deadliest-days-usa-history/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Balta1701 said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/deadliest-days-usa-history/ Something to keep in mind as well is population totals. More people died each day from Spanish flu and there were far less people available for that disease to kill. The Galveston hurricane killed 8,000, but how many people live in Galveston today? 100,000? How many less was it back then? This isn't to make light of this, 3,000 a day is still God awful, but it's just worth keeping in mind for comparison's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: Something to keep in mind as well is population totals. More people died each day from Spanish flu and there were far less people available for that disease to kill. The Galveston hurricane killed 8,000, but how many people live in Galveston today? 100,000? How many less was it back then? This isn't to make light of this, 3,000 a day is still God awful, but it's just worth keeping in mind for comparison's sake. Galveston's population today is ~50,000, and it was about 40,000 at the time of the storm. At the time, Houston basically didn't exist and Galveston was sort of the port city in that area, and it probably would have continued developing into something closer to Miami if it wasn't for the storm - densest at the coast and growing inland. Once the storm leveled the city, people moved inwards to Houston, and that became the governing seat of the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: Something to keep in mind as well is population totals. More people died each day from Spanish flu and there were far less people available for that disease to kill. The Galveston hurricane killed 8,000, but how many people live in Galveston today? 100,000? How many less was it back then? This isn't to make light of this, 3,000 a day is still God awful, but it's just worth keeping in mind for comparison's sake. Read Isaacs Storm if you want something interesting about the 1900 hurricane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Galveston's population today is ~50,000, and it was about 40,000 at the time of the storm. At the time, Houston basically didn't exist and Galveston was sort of the port city in that area, and it probably would have continued developing into something closer to Miami if it wasn't for the storm - densest at the coast and growing inland. Once the storm leveled the city, people moved inwards to Houston, and that became the governing seat of the area. Thanks. Didn’t know how much the hurricane changed the overall course of the city. Either way, kinda validates my point that the hurricane killed 20% of the population. SS, appreciate it. I’ll check it out (my phone sucks at formatting). 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Read Isaacs Storm if you want something interesting about the 1900 hurricane. Edited December 11, 2020 by Danny Dravot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Guys if you look at the image I posted, it says "major deadly events" and isn't a numbered list. The snopes article applies more to the tweets they reference than what's going on in that picture. Why would you do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Galveston's population today is ~50,000, and it was about 40,000 at the time of the storm. At the time, Houston basically didn't exist and Galveston was sort of the port city in that area, and it probably would have continued developing into something closer to Miami if it wasn't for the storm - densest at the coast and growing inland. Once the storm leveled the city, people moved inwards to Houston, and that became the governing seat of the area. Apropos of nothing, the story in Southern Illinois is that Metropolis had a somewhat similar thing happen. When the Chicago fire went down, Metropolis sent aid north to Chicago to help repair. This favor was never returned, Chicago experienced a boom, Metropolis never really recovered from it and Chicago went on to become the city we know now. I have no idea how valid the story is, but they all know it and talk about it as if it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texsox Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 20 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Also of note, generally speaking, Democrats come from denser populated areas than Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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