COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[StrangeSox]

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is exactly the point.  He is a nobody, with a small fraction of the following that the President  has.  It is a non sequitor to distract from the irresponsible actions of the President.

For whatever it's worth, the woman who took the aquarium cleaner with her now-dead husband blames Trump's messaging on it.

 

 

Anyway, here's a thread full of stunning pictures of shutdowns around the world.

 

some randomly chosen ones, there are a few dozen

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by StrangeSox

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

For whatever it's worth, the woman who took the aquarium cleaner with her now-dead husband blames Trump's messaging on it.

 

 

Anyway, here's a thread full of stunning pictures of shutdowns around the world.

 

 

Great, now maybe we can quit the Scientology style methodology of attacking everything else but what actually happened?

[Jerksticks]

18 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Sadly, without those steps, 59,936,000 could have played the game . . . 

And that's the issue. We will never know if we over reacted. We will know if we under react. If only a few thousand people die in this country and a hundred thousand people are ill, a group of people will believe it was only an existential crisis and say "look at all we did and this was all that it really was"! Still others will believe that our actions "flattened the curve" and averted a real crisis. No one will know for certain. 

 

Right.  The unfortunate thing is when the world turns back on...59,936,000 Italians will still be completely vulnerable to the virus, a shocking 99.89% of their population.  

[Moan4Yoan]

I typically drink Drano to get that extra fresh breath and mouthfeel.  I’ll have to look into the benefits of aquarium cleaner as well...

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Right.  The unfortunate thing is when the world turns back on...59,936,000 Italians will still be completely vulnerable to the virus, a shocking 99.89% of their population.  

“For every officially certificated positive, there are ten non-certified,” Angelo Borrelli of the agency said in an interview with the daily La Repubblica.

His office told CNN the quote was accurate. 

That would mean Italy would have had more than 600,000 positive cases of coronavirus, according to Borrelli’s estimate, having recorded a total of 63,967 cases as of Monday.

It could also potentially help explain what seems to be a much higher death rate in Italy than in other countries. According to World Health Organization statistics, as of March 22, Italy had a death rate of more than 9% of all confirmed cases.

If the country actually has had ten times as many cases as recorded, the death rate would be 0.9%. This would be more in line with the 0.6% death rate in South Korea, for example.

Civil protection agency data Tuesday showed a slight decrease in the number of cases for a second consecutive day, but only in the “next few hours we will see if the growth curve is really starting to flatten,” Borrelli said.

“We should buy more ventilators and masks should be sold at every street corner,” said Borrelli, admitting difficulties in finding these medical supplies.

www.cnn.com

 

Gut reaction is they’re probably closer to 4-5%, maybe 6%.  And we’ll never know, but even the most draconian population controls in history only led to a 3.8% mortality rate here in Wuhan.

South Korea has many more younger non-smoking women with the virus, Italy has a significant number of older smoking males.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[Texsox]

Here's another problem with what they did (and clearly they are also responsible for being stupid). They ingested the aquarium cleaner version. Who knows what else was in it? If this does prove to be an effective medication, how many people will hesitate because of these two?

[Jerksticks]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

“For every officially certificated positive, there are ten non-certified,” Angelo Borrelli of the agency said in an interview with the daily La Repubblica.

His office told CNN the quote was accurate. 

That would mean Italy would have had more than 600,000 positive cases of coronavirus, according to Borrelli’s estimate, having recorded a total of 63,967 cases as of Monday.

It could also potentially help explain what seems to be a much higher death rate in Italy than in other countries. According to World Health Organization statistics, as of March 22, Italy had a death rate of more than 9% of all confirmed cases.

If the country actually has had ten times as many cases as recorded, the death rate would be 0.9%. This would be more in line with the 0.6% death rate in South Korea, for example.

Civil protection agency data Tuesday showed a slight decrease in the number of cases for a second consecutive day, but only in the “next few hours we will see if the growth curve is really starting to flatten,” Borrelli said.

“We should buy more ventilators and masks should be sold at every street corner,” said Borrelli, admitting difficulties in finding these medical supplies.

www.cnn.com

Exactly.  But those additional 600,000 are out there quarantined, spreading virus.  So if Balta is right...expect  hundreds of thousands of dead bodies in the coming weeks. 

[Texsox]

8 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I typically drink Drano to get that extra fresh breath and mouthfeel.  I’ll have to look into the benefits of aquarium cleaner as well...

Did I miss where President Trump said Drano had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?  

[Moan4Yoan]

1 minute ago, Texsox said:

Did I miss where President Trump said Drano had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?  

Did I miss where President Trump said aquarium cleaner had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?

[Texsox]

3 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Did I miss where President Trump said aquarium cleaner had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?

OK. I should have been more specific.

Did I miss where President Trump said sodium hydroxide had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume. That would be more accurate to what he did. 

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Jerksticks said:

Exactly.  But those additional 600,000 are out there quarantined, spreading virus.  So if Balta is right...expect  hundreds of thousands of dead bodies in the coming weeks. 

Well, those are the “scare the hell out of people to get them to comply voluntarily” worst-case numbers.

It’s more instructive to look at Spain for a comparison.  They’re not at peak yet.   Germany and France seem to be doing better, and the UK is taking a similar approach to US...which is essentially playing Blackjack against the house.

There are some really scary areas yet to come, though...

1)  Most of Africa

2)  India

3)  Middle East, starting with Iran and spilling over

4)  Hundreds of thousands of displaced persons and refugee camps

5)  Homeless populations in the US

[Texsox]

Do you believe that the President of the US has a greater responsibility in what he says than anyone else? 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Did I miss where President Trump said aquarium cleaner had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?

Obviously.

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Did I miss where President Trump said aquarium cleaner had been used for a long time and was SAFE to consume?

It’s pretty obvious that chloroquine and the phosphate version for aquariums/fish was too subtle a distinction to make for this particular family.

Edited March 24, 2020 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

Just now, Texsox said:

Do you believe that the President of the US has a greater responsibility in what he says than anyone else? 

100%.

[bmags]

22 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Right.  The unfortunate thing is when the world turns back on...59,936,000 Italians will still be completely vulnerable to the virus, a shocking 99.89% of their population.  

but they'll be living in an italy with increased testing and medical capacity, and one much more understanding of the threat and actions needed.

[StrangeSox]

what is this curve going to do if we open everything back up in a few days or even a few weeks?

 

 

Italy is bending the curve, but they've been much more restrictive than even the most restricted places in the US are right now.

 

 

 

edit: another reasonable statement from a prominent GOP rep. The retweeted thread from Gottlieb is worth a read as well to truly understand the massive risk for little or even no possible rewards of "going back to normal" far too quickly.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by StrangeSox

[mqr]

13 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

what is this curve going to do if we open everything back up in a few days or even a few weeks?

 

 

Italy is bending the curve, but they've been much more restrictive than even the most restricted places in the US are right now.

 

 

 

edit: another reasonable statement from a prominent GOP rep. The retweeted thread from Gottlieb is worth a read as well to truly understand the massive risk for little or even no possible rewards of "going back to normal" far too quickly.

 

 

The push for normalcy is the most ghoulish thing I think I've ever seen. 

Like supervillain level bad. 

[bmags]

this is going to be bad

 

[Jerksticks]

19 minutes ago, bmags said:

but they'll be living in an italy with increased testing and medical capacity, and one much more understanding of the threat and actions needed.

Yes.  Thankfully this virus isn’t super infectious, airborne and spread by asymptomatic people.  
 

So when the world opens back up, Italy’s remaining 59,935,000 wont have to worry.  Because this time if somebody shows up to the hospital with pneumonia they’ll test immediately and ask them if they’ve been in contact with other people in the last 14 days, and then ask those people if they’ve been in contact with people the last 14 days.  
 

I don’t see any issues.  Now if this thing was airborne and transmitted by asymptomatic carriers, this would be a different story.  Thankfully it’s not.  China has it beat and Italy is beating it.  Good job!

[Jerksticks]

4 minutes ago, bmags said:

this is going to be bad

 

Derrrrr.  If anybody thinks less than a million New Yorkers are infected you’re out of your frickin mind. 

[bmags]

1 minute ago, Jerksticks said:

Yes.  Thankfully this virus isn’t super infectious, airborne and spread by asymptomatic people.  
 

So when the world opens back up, Italy’s remaining 59,935,000 wont have to worry.  Because this time if somebody shows up to the hospital with pneumonia they’ll test immediately and ask them if they’ve been in contact with other people in the last 14 days, and then ask those people if they’ve been in contact with people the last 14 days.  
 

I don’t see any issues.  Now if this thing was airborne and transmitted by asymptomatic carriers, this would be a different story.  Thankfully it’s not.  China has it beat and Italy is beating it.  Good job!

South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan have shown that you can manage this with high testing, tracking and isolation, but Italy could not?

The thing is by testing and tracking, you go test asymptomatic people who have been in contact with symptomatic people and isolate them. There are in fact examples of this...

Wuhan was Wuhan because China ignored the problem until it needed shut downs. Italy the same, and US the same. But there were countries that didn't do that.

[StrangeSox]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan have shown that you can manage this with high testing, tracking and isolation, but Italy could not?

The thing is by testing and tracking, you go test asymptomatic people who have been in contact with symptomatic people and isolate them. There are in fact examples of this...

Wuhan was Wuhan because China ignored the problem until it needed shut downs. Italy the same, and US the same. But there were countries that didn't do that.

Singapore and Hong Kong are now re-instituting restrictive measures as a second wave hits.

 

Also aren't asymptomatic people spreading the disease like crazy? And China and Italy have temporarily "won" with measures far more restrictive than anything we've seen in this country. If our hope for curbing US deaths and suffering is what they did, we need to lock down much more tightly across the entire country starting last week.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

4 minutes ago, bmags said:

South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan have shown that you can manage this with high testing, tracking and isolation, but Italy could not?

The thing is by testing and tracking, you go test asymptomatic people who have been in contact with symptomatic people and isolate them. There are in fact examples of this...

Wuhan was Wuhan because China ignored the problem until it needed shut downs. Italy the same, and US the same. But there were countries that didn't do that.

The US is talking about ending the shut down in like 4 days which is way sooner than any other country did.

[caulfield12]

15 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Yes.  Thankfully this virus isn’t super infectious, airborne and spread by asymptomatic people.  
 

So when the world opens back up, Italy’s remaining 59,935,000 wont have to worry.  Because this time if somebody shows up to the hospital with pneumonia they’ll test immediately and ask them if they’ve been in contact with other people in the last 14 days, and then ask those people if they’ve been in contact with people the last 14 days.  
 

I don’t see any issues.  Now if this thing was airborne and transmitted by asymptomatic carriers, this would be a different story.  Thankfully it’s not.  China has it beat and Italy is beating it.  Good job!

Not beat.  We had an outbreak of hemorrhagic fever in Shaanxi Province.   Hantavirus death in Yunnan.

Hong Kong had to shut down international airport again due to imported cases from abroad...mostly stranded students returning, along with permanent residents from all over the globe.  Singapore back in a huge fight again after besting back initial wave, mostly from churches there (in that way, quite similar to S.Korea.)

Malaysia and Thailand starting to go sideways...Indonesia with 300+ million looms, along with Italy.

 

Half the roughly 700 cases on the Grand Princess were asymptomatic when testing positive.   One guy was in the hospital in Omaha for 28+ days before he came up negative finally.

I will watch Fox News Town Hall at 12 EST.   First time in life watching Fox.  Just to see Dr. Fauci, whether still sidelined.  Knew Harris Faulkner when she was just starting her media career at WDAF in Kansas City.  Remember Bill Hemmer from CNN days.  Trump will be on around 1230, 1130 CST.

Edited March 24, 2020 by caulfield12