FS: What's Driving Mercedes' Power?

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

41 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said:

The hype about Yermin is not just based on spring training numbers. It is about what he was doing last season and now during spring training.

And years before.

[ron883]

Soxtalk had more faith in Yermin than the white sox!

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Here's some good discussion from a Future Sox thread from August 2019. Was actually a good baseball discussion that had disagreements but no verbal assaults.

On 8/8/2019 at 3:21 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

For jumping so many levels and performing pretty well and also seeing how many here want to see him get a shot at DH it's odd perhaps not to see Yermin Mercedes on the top 30 nor the just missed lists.

I do understand he doesn't profile well at catcher and might be strictly a DH and is on the old side but is he not still a prospect since he is in the system and can be of some use to the Sox if he can hit at the highest level ?

I guess he has become something of a cult figure as the Yerminator.

 

On 8/9/2019 at 2:15 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

He could be put on the list. None of us decided to rank a 26-year-old definite DH though. 

 

On 8/11/2019 at 6:49 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Of course I understand . But there are arguments to be made that he has never been to the big leagues before and DH is a legit position in the AL and has been for many many years. You guys are always saying development isn't linear and Yermin proves that. I don't think those things should be held against him.

The Sox have a major hole at DH . Imagine him coming up and actually doing well for 5+ years. Despite being 26 does he still not have a floor and ceiling ? He is certainly a lot closer to helping the Sox and more realistically being called up then some in the top 30 will ever be. When doing ranking isn't that a consideration ? Don't you provide these rankings to help the average fan know who may help the Sox in the future ? He is a key name in that regard.

I'm not saying you are wrong I greatly appreciate the service you provide but guys like Yermin deserve a spot . In my eyes it's a disservice to the fans to leave him off the list. More than just the diehard fans should be aware of who he is and your rankings would help that. He has done everything he can despite limitations to be a factor  while guys with many skills fail all the time. I think he should be applauded not ignored.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 9:51 AM, Quin said:

People said the same thing about Nicky Delmonico and he had a better glove than Mercedes.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 11:53 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

What exactly are the same things they said about Delmonico that even applies to Mercedes  ? Did Delmonico jump 3 levels in 1 season ? Did Delmonico tear the cover off the ball in AA and  AAA in the same season ? Was Delmonico never in the Sox top 30 prospects ? Were the same things people said after or before he was called up and had good games with the Sox ? It was reasonable to think the Sox found something when Delmonico was 24 and put up some decent numbers with the Sox just as it was reasonable to expect more from Palka this year. Both however crapped the bed thereafter,  I just don't see any parallel between Mercedes and Delmonico. All I thought, and I completely understand why it didn't happen, was Mercedes could've been in the top 30 because he does have some hitting upside. Just a DH like a Nelson Cruz type can be very valuable.  No big deal .

 

 

On 8/11/2019 at 12:42 PM, Quin said:

Well, in 2016 Delmonico tore the cover off the ball and everyone was clamoring for him.

When the rankings came out, it was the same conversation - he should be ranked even though he's just a DH.

Mercedes hasn't been age appropriate until he finally hit AAA. He has no glove. He's hit the shit out of the ball this year. But there's a reason he's not on the Top 30 and saying it's a disservice to Sox fans, even if you understand why, is a backhand to FutureSox. 

I'll gladly eat crow if he's ever called up and rakes, but with no glove he's going to have to provide more value than all of the OFs that could make it (pushing Eloy to DH), Collins, Vaughn, and Sheets. And that's what pushes him off the list.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 2:37 PM, Moan4Yoan said:

He’s a DH and it’s looking like he won’t even hit the majors until next year at age 27, if ever.  Last offseason, we were excited about the possibility of signing two free agents who were 26 years old.  I agree that it’s tough to call Yermin a prospect at this point.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 4:10 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

in 2016 Delmonico hit great in AA and faltered in AAA. But it's cool,many don't think he belongs in the top 30. I do . So be it. I am not doing a disservice to futuresox ,not even close. They are the experts and I am sure they value input. Frank Thomas was not a good 1st baseman, Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz are among many great names who played almost exclusively DH, Ortiz didn't make a name for himself until he joined the Red Sox at 27, Edgar Martinez had close to 250 career AB's before he got a real chance at age 27.

My old English teacher said you write for you own satisfaction but you also write for the reader. The readers are Sox fans who want to know more about the happenings on the farm and who we can reasonably expect to  have a chance to help the team in the future. Mercedes has a better chance to help the team than many on the list since he is so close to a call up. They do their jobs in listing the players they think have the best chance to be good players from every level of the minors. They also do feature articles on many players and podcasts. Maybe I just think the ones closest to the majors deserve special attention and that is not the job of those who rank prospects.  The readers want to know the most significant names for the neat future. Only the most ardent fan gets excited about DSL guys. They are just too far away.

Outside of Collins and Mendick, Yermin is the name I most see mentioned around here from AAA and Yermin is outproducing them both by a long shot. He can't turn back the clock and become younger, he can not become a great fielder but he can continue to hit and that could be enough.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 4:12 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Tough yes, impossible ? No.That's all I'm really saying.

 

On 8/11/2019 at 9:32 PM, Moan4Yoan said:

People mostly just want to see Yermin because they are sick of seeing at bats wasted on the likes of career minor leaguers like Goins (31) and Skole (30).  I doubt anyone would be surprised to see Yermin fail miserably in the majors like Palka or Reed, never to be seen again.  But we already know guys like Goins and Skole are just wasting at bats and have no future with the Sox so we may as well give Yermin a shot at DH.

 

On 8/12/2019 at 4:55 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

That nearly 1.000 OPS might have something to do with it. Of course we would expect him to fail miserably .Which White Sox prospect among the top ones has come up and instantly been good ? Let's at least acknowledge he has been a cosistently good hitter in his minor league career and especially good this year .

 

On 8/13/2019 at 11:43 PM, Moan4Yoan said:

He has, but he is also getting older (27 in February).  So pretend you are the Sox...  name one reason you wouldn’t have Yermin up right now?  What are they thinking?

 

On 9/2/2019 at 4:47 PM, GreenSox said:

This

It wouldn't surprise me if they release Mercedes after this season.

 

On 9/2/2019 at 8:43 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It would definitely surprise me.

 

On 9/4/2019 at 4:18 PM, GreenSox said:

Well they won't out and out release him, but not protecting him (even though there is ample room) will have the same effect.

 

On 9/4/2019 at 6:53 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Would still surprise me. The Sox desperately want a success story. No one of all the scrubs they have picked up has even given an inkling that they belong on an MLB team . Even if it's a DH he deserves as much of a chance as all the other guys they has given playing time to.

The problem is the rebuild is nearing being a somewhat finished product and if they plan on spending and filling the DH role or putting Abreu at DH  then he won't get a chance.

 

[Quin]

57 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Here's some good discussion from a Future Sox thread from August 2019. Was actually a good baseball discussion that had disagreements but no verbal assaults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, gladly eating crow.