bmags Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Yes Please! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Wake me up when he gets a story correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) White Sox Victory Orifice Openness Index: Perpetuity Edited February 24, 2020 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Needless to say I am fucking STOKED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I think it's safe to say Cishek has ears 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I’m going to be crushed if this doesn’t happen now. So much smoke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 You mean, PER NOT STEVE CISCEK! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, mqr said: I think it's safe to say Cishek has ears And a few posters here will be served delicious crow if he is indeed right (he was the first to break the news). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoxAce said: And a few posters here will be served delicious crow if he is indeed right (he was the first to break the news). But I would say still take his shit with a grain of salt because he isn't exactly beholden to anyone to vet his info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 @Y2Jimmy has nailed basically everything this offseason, so I expect this to happen. 14 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: That would be a quite a commitment from the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Would also put the offseason grade to an unqualified A+ imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: @Y2Jimmy has nailed basically everything this offseason, so I expect this to happen. That would be a quite a commitment from the Sox. There's a decent amount of risk in that 9/171 proposal for sure. But if Moncada stays healthy, I am fairly confident that he'll put up 6-8 WAR seasons throughout his prime, so it would be a smart move IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: @Y2Jimmy has nailed basically everything this offseason, so I expect this to happen. That would be a quite a commitment from the Sox. It would be, but it would be a steal considering what other players of his caliber ( or worse) have gotten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 So if this does happen, only Giolito would be the lone major FA after 2023 (unless you like Lopez too). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, hogan873 said: It would be, but it would be a steal considering what other players of his caliber ( or worse) have gotten. I mean, Moncada has had one good season that was very inflated due to unsustainable babip. I love the guy. I hope we extend him. I hope we extend him now because I don't see him getting any cheaper. 7/$133M seems a tad steep, especially when you're escalating it up to $18M in his arb3 year. Again, I wouldn't be mad about it, but it certainly isn't any semblance of a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I mean, Moncada has had one good season that was very inflated due to unsustainable babip. I love the guy. I hope we extend him. I hope we extend him now because I don't see him getting any cheaper. 7/$133M seems a tad steep, especially when you're escalating it up to $18M in his arb3 year. Again, I wouldn't be mad about it, but it certainly isn't any semblance of a discount. Even if the 9/$171M figure is true, that’s only $19M a year for a guy who will be in his prime for pretty much the entire contract. Sign me up for that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I mean, Moncada has had one good season that was very inflated due to unsustainable babip. I love the guy. I hope we extend him. I hope we extend him now because I don't see him getting any cheaper. 7/$133M seems a tad steep, especially when you're escalating it up to $18M in his arb3 year. Again, I wouldn't be mad about it, but it certainly isn't any semblance of a discount. I think something like this makes more sense: $5M signing bonus. 2020: $1M 2021: $5M 2022: $10M 2023: $14M 2024: $18M 2025: $20M 2026: $22M 2027 team option: $24M ($4M buyout) 2028 team option: $26M ($4M buyout) That is 7/$99M guaranteed, with the chance to take it to 9/$145M if the options are picked up. Extends three FA years, plus 2 more options years. Seems a little more like something that could give the Sox a little more incentive to get this done. The proposed deal by the MLBburner just doesn't seem like a move that creates a ton of value for the Sox, beyond simply just ensuring you have Moncada on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Even if the 9/$171M figure is true, that’s only $19M a year for a guy who will be in his prime for pretty much the entire contract. Sign me up for that. Also while discounts are great, There is no cliff for this team which is excellent. They don’t have to worry about time bomb years as they move to get the final pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Even if the 9/$171M figure is true, that’s only $19M a year for a guy who will be in his prime for pretty much the entire contract. Sign me up for that. Sure, but you're paying him $650k in 2020. He'll get a raise to $4-5M or so in 2021. He is going to have to be one of hte best 10-15 players in baseball (and to be clear, he has the talent to be and already probably was in 2019) for the Sox to not be paying him MORE via this proposed extension in 22-23 than he would make via the arb process. The sox have traditionally done these extensions to create value. The proposed deal doesn't create a ton of value for the club unless Moncada is a straight superstar - but it also comes from a guy (MLBburner) with questionable validity, so I'll wait to see the actual terms before putting much more thought into it. Definitely hope they can get it done! Edited February 24, 2020 by ChiSox59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Sure, but you're paying him $650k in 2020. He'll get a raise to $4-5M or so in 2021. He is going to have to be one of hte best 10-15 players in baseball (and to be clear, he has the talent to be and already probably was in 2019) for the Sox to not be paying him via this proposed extension in 22-23 than he would make via the arb process. The sox have traditionally done these extensions to create value. The proposed deal doesn't create a ton of value for the club unless Moncada is a straight superstar - but it also comes from a guy with questionable validity, so I'll wait to see the terms before putting much more thought into it. Definitely hope they can get it done! I don't think they created much value with Robert tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Sure, but you're paying him $650k in 2020. He'll get a raise to $4-5M or so in 2021. He is going to have to be one of hte best 10-15 players in baseball (and to be clear, he has the talent to be and already probably was in 2019) for the Sox to not be paying him MORE via this proposed extension in 22-23 than he would make via the arb process. The sox have traditionally done these extensions to create value. The proposed deal doesn't create a ton of value for the club unless Moncada is a straight superstar - but it also comes from a guy (MLBburner) with questionable validity, so I'll wait to see the actual terms before putting much more thought into it. Definitely hope they can get it done! If this gets done, the Sox will have a legit 6 or 7 year window of contention. While I see your argument, I’m fine with the deal even if it’s not “team friendly” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mqr said: I don't think they created much value with Robert tbh. I remember reading that some agents agree with this. For what they were willing to pay, they should have gotten at least one more free agent year out of the deal. Obviously it would be more than $88 mill at that point though. Edited February 24, 2020 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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