ptatc Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Late to the party here. Love the deal obviously, not because it’s a super team friendly deal, but for the reason that this guarantees he will be on the team for the next 5/6 years. For comparison, Kris Bryant made $40M in his arb years and he was ROY and MVP by year 2, and CWS noted Machado and Arenado made a bit more than $30M in their arb years. I think Yoan could make $30-35M in those years based on his current trajectory. So really we’re getting his 5th and 6th years for $55-60M. Not huge savings financially, but the deal helps keep the core together and guarantees strong production from a key position during our “window”. This all depends on what changes in the next CBA. This is why I think the FO is smart to get ahead of all of these contracts. If the players get anthing changed in those years, the deal could be a real bargain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Man, I know it’s a pipe dream but you put Betts in RF on this team in 2021-2030. Holy guacamole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 49 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So the team saves about 15-20 million if Yoan is a world beater. Not a huge discount for guaranteeing the 37 upfront, but a good deal for both parties and fair for both sides. Like it. I think you missed the 2 years of Free Agency control, which is worth more than the actual money savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Sleepy Harold said: Would have liked this a bit more if more money was front loaded vs the back end when other contracts on the team would be coming due for renewals and extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: Would have liked this a bit more if more money was front loaded vs the back end when other contracts on the team would be coming due for renewals and extensions. Hopefully the team makes the playoffs a few times in there. If so, revenue should grow at a rate sufficient to keep up with the current contracts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Hopefully the team makes the playoffs a few times in there. If so, revenue should grow at a rate sufficient to keep up with the current contracts. In an industry that's seen 50% revenue growth over a period of a decade MLB GMs are not going to be handing out many front loaded contracts. Just doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: In an industry that's seen 50% revenue growth over a period of a decade MLB GMs are not going to be handing out many front loaded contracts. Just doesn't make any sense. With where this org has been, there is potential to be the #1 team in the entire league for top %age revenue growth over the next 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Balta1701 said: With where this org has been, there is potential to be the #1 team in the entire league for top %age revenue growth over the next 5 years. Is there any chance if the Sox get really good they cash in on a new TV deal? How long does the current one go anybody know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Is there any chance if the Sox get really good they cash in on a new TV deal? How long does the current one go anybody know? SoxMachine says it's a 5 year deal with this being season 1 of the 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: In an industry that's seen 50% revenue growth over a period of a decade MLB GMs are not going to be handing out many front loaded contracts. Just doesn't make any sense. It will be interesting to see the next CBA. there were reports of a hard cap and a floor being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: It will be interesting to see the next CBA. there were reports of a hard cap and a floor being discussed. Indeed. I wouldn't mind a hard cap it would benefit Chicago most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So the team saves about 15-20 million if Yoan is a world beater. Not a huge discount for guaranteeing the 37 upfront, but a good deal for both parties and fair for both sides. Like it. Where are you coming up with $15M to $20M in savings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Where are you coming up with $15M to $20M in savings? If he's really good, he's looking at about 35-37 million in Arb + two FA years of 35ish million per. That puts him at about 107 and he's going to make 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If he's really good, he's looking at about 35-37 million in Arb + two FA years of 35ish million per. That puts him at about 107 and he's going to make 90. You think if Moncada was a free agent in free agency and was willing to accept a two year deal he’d only get $70M? I think that’s at least $10M short if not substantially more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: You think if Moncada was a free agent in free agency and was willing to accept a two year deal he’d only get $70M? I think that’s at least $10M short if not substantially more. I think his FA contract if he's really good would pay him around 35 million annually; obviously it would be more for a 2 year deal, but this is an extension so it's not really a two year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I think his FA contract if he's really good would pay him around 35 million annually; obviously it would be more for a 2 year deal, but this is an extension so it's not really a two year deal. Yeah, but my point is we overpaid a bit on the arbitration years to get two below market free agent years. Machado got $300M over 10 years and could have gotten substantially more in terms of AAV on a short term deal. Someone might honestly pay a legit star 3B $40M to $45M per season if it was on a two year deal during their prime years. Therefore, the savings we are getting is far more significant than the savings you are suggesting IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Soxnfins said: One has to think that Giolito is next. We can hope.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 "Moncada says his new agent was the first to contact the White Sox about a possible extension around two weeks ago." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Sorry if this was posted already. An interesting take from Boston going back to the Sale trade. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sarava said: Sorry if this was posted already. An interesting take from Boston going back to the Sale trade. But Moncada had a 60% K rate (in 20 PAs). Edited March 7, 2020 by Dam8610 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 3/6/2020 at 2:58 AM, ptatc said: Last off season when the Sox didnt sign Machado then said the money will be spent focusing on their own players. Many posters scoffed at it and repeatedly asked, "when will the money be spent?" This off season they have signed free agents and their own young players to a total of 336 million, pretty close to the amount that Machado would have made if he met all of the incentives in the contract. It looks like they've spent it. Hopefully, it was spent wisely. That isn’t exactly an accurate summary. The concern was also that the Sox would never be willing to sign a top free agent to a $200+ million dollar deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) On 3/7/2020 at 4:22 AM, Sarava said: Sorry if this was posted already. An interesting take from Boston going back to the Sale trade. Imagine if we had also gotten back Devers as the third piece over Basabe. Edited March 8, 2020 by Moan4Yoan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I thought Benintendi was always the second piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, NCsoxfan said: I thought Benintendi was always the second piece? Pretty sure it was always Moncada or Benintendi Kopech Devers (Hahn's ask) or Basabe / Diaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 17 hours ago, Quin said: Pretty sure it was always Moncada or Benintendi Kopech Devers (Hahn's ask) or Basabe / Diaz yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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