Sleepy Harold Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Was only a matter of time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Was only a matter of time... It basically is for anyone with plus velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Honestly with half of the season probably gone already, it makes sense to punt on this season if you are questionable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Best time to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, turnin' two said: It basically is for anyone with plus velocity. Red Sox had him throw way too many sliders. That was the issue. Don Cooper knew this too and said as much even when Sale was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Shocking news. He might better help them next year. Might have a couple years more left in that elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: Best time to do it. If they had insider info like the Senate Intelligence Chief they coulda done this a month ago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 15 hours ago, SoxAce said: Red Sox had him throw way too many sliders. That was the issue. Don Cooper knew this too and said as much even when Sale was here. UCL reconstruction is more correlated with the increase in consistent velocity. There were articles last year detailing that in the middle of last season he was throwing with the highest velocity of his career. Cooper also knew this and they kept him under more control here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: UCL reconstruction is more correlated with the increase in consistent velocity. There were articles last year detailing that in the middle of last season he was throwing with the highest velocity of his career. Cooper also knew this and they kept him under more control here. Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoxAce said: Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane. That is the average for the whole year. If you go back and read articles about last season, they will say that they ramped him up slowly last year but had his highest velocity of his career through the middle months of the year. with the consistent velocity that pitchers are trying to throw over the last few years, UCL reconstructions are correlated more with the excessive tensile stress on the ligament due to the effort moreso than pure mechanics of offspeed pitches like the slider as was the primary issue from the 80s into the 90s. Edited March 20, 2020 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ptatc said: That is the average for the whole year. If you go back and read articles about last season, they will say that they ramped him up slowly last year but had his highest velocity of his career through the middle months of the year. with the consistent velocity that pitchers are trying to throw over the last few years, UCL reconstructions are correlated more with the excessive tensile stress on the ligament due to the effort moreso than pure mechanics of offspeed pitches like the slider as was the primary issue from the 80s into the 90s. Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah. Looks like it. Maybe they were referencing 2018 and I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, SoxAce said: Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane. Pretty interesting that every year he averages over 95, the next year his average drops into the 93 range. So he peaks one year and drops off precipitously the next. Not coincidentally peak average 2018, poor performance and injury 2019. Edited March 21, 2020 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I'd say we sold high on him, I wish him good luck, like someone said it was inevitable. In light of Kopechs surgery and I certainly dont wish this on him, is this whats called poetic justice?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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