George Floyd Thread

[StrangeSox]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

This isn't a flaw of the system,  it was the intent.  Centuries of history have been set up to destroy black families. 

 

[Chicago White Sox]

29 minutes ago, Butter Parque said:

Again, where are my tax dollars going then? What is all that section 8 housing and all those EBT cards for? What about affirmative action? Or the government contracting for minority owned businesses? All that and you still see residents of Chicago blowing each other’s heads off like it’s a weekend routine. 
 

The Jews seem to be doing very well overall. 

Affirmative action doesn’t really help when you come from a poor, broken home and the only access to education you have is a shitty inner city school.

What exactly is your background?  Based on how little sympathy you have for those less fortunate you must have overcome some serious shit in life.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Chicago White Sox

[Texsox]

21 hours ago, greg775 said:

Thanks Tex. With the abolition of police forces soon, do you think that will cause a rise in the looting, etc? With no cops, I would think there would be a rash of carjackings, home invasions, muggings, and of course, bank robberies and the like. With many states allowing you to carry a gun, it seems now a no brainer. Don't these adult government officials who are disbanding the police forces read about mob mentality and human nature? Without police and jails, good luck. There will be no way to have sports without cops. Can u imagine an NBA game and there's a bad call? If there are no cops, just charge the ref or after Game One of a playoff series kidnap the other team's star player. I'm sure even as we speak some gang leaders or terrorist wannabees are plotting their new lives as millionaires. Pretty easy to wreak havoc and make $$ when there are no pesky cops to stop you.

Everybody might like a world without cops but the reality of the situation is ...

We already live in a world without police. Waiting for the police to arrive is foolhardy. You gotta be your own security force. 

Now, what's your strategy for non lethal protection? Have you thought about martial arts training? It's a good workout.

[Butter Parque]

24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I thought George Soros was the boogeyman, as he’s somehow behind every worldwide conspiracy over the last 50 years?

The answer to your first question is subsidizing corporations and the richest individuals in America.

 

Social welfare includes things like Medicaid, SNAP (what used to be called food stamps), housing assistance, and home energy assistance. But it also includes things like unemployment and veteran’s benefits.

It’s challenging to get a hard number on what the US spends on social welfare programs because different reports include and exclude various programs.

Back in 2011, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama released a report that included 83 different programs and clocked in the spending at $1.03 trillion. The CATO Institute published similar numbers the following year.

But both of those numbers include things like The Earned Income Tax Credit, which you have to work to earn. The clue is in the name for cripes sake, earned.  

They also include funding for Head Start programs. I know some programs can be abused, but I’m pretty sure Head Start is something we can all agree is a good thing. Education for little kids from low-income families is pretty hard to demonize.

If we separate those kinds of programs from things like SNAP and housing vouchers, the kind that some people seem to resent, the spending comes in at about $212 billion per year. That’s a lot, but it’s a lot less than $1 trillion.

https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/corporate-welfare/

Again, they’re utilizing these “social assistance” programs and yet you believe they’re owed more. Should we give them a house? A wad of cash? We’re now looking at the idea of allowing them to commit crimes without fear of arrest. What more can we do before they become more productive members of society? 
 

I’m willing to listen. But the legacy of slavery crap is a bit old in 2020. 

[Butter Parque]

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Affirmative action doesn’t really help when you come from a poor, broken home and the only access to education you have is a shitty inner city school.

What exactly is your background?  Based on how little sympathy you have for those less fortunate you must have overcome some serious shit in life.

Again. Public schools are shitty. They’re shitty nearly everywhere. But if you have parents who force you to sit and do your HW, who don’t let you stay out on the streets til all hours of the night, maybe you have a shot at a better life. 
 

Sympathy? I think the idea is we’re not different. They don’t need sympathy and they want it, they’re already too far gone.
 

These kids can work all day and get their master’s at night. They can do their undergrad while working at a grocery store 6 days a week. That’s what I did. It’s not noble. I don’t need a damn cookie for it. It’s what people do who want to eventually make it to the middle class. You do what you have to. I believe that opportunity exists for everyone. Some of us are raised better than others. Like I said, I feel bad for the kids who come from that. But they’re the only ones who can get themselves out of the poverty cycle. For society’s sake, I hope they do. But at this rate, I doubt it’s going to happen in our lifetimes. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Butter Parque

[Chicago White Sox]

2 minutes ago, Butter Parque said:

Again. Public schools are shitty. They’re shitty nearly everywhere. But if you have parents who force you to sit and do your HW, who don’t let you stay out on the streets til all hours of the night, maybe you have a shot at a better life. 

First off, I fully disagree with you that all public schools are shitty.  That’s just total bullshit and there are definitely different degrees of bad even among just the shitty ones.  And again, if you are raised in a broken home with a single working parent, it’s very hard to be disciplined enough to stay in & do your homework and not go out & get into trouble.  You act like this all so simple to overcome, but ignore the reality of the vicious cycle that is poverty.  And BTW, your tax dollars don’t magically put everything on an even playing field, they simply provide a bare minimum quality of life.

[Soxbadger]

19 minutes ago, Butter Parque said:

Again, they’re utilizing these “social assistance” programs and yet you believe they’re owed more. Should we give them a house? A wad of cash? We’re now looking at the idea of allowing them to commit crimes without fear of arrest. What more can we do before they become more productive members of society? 
 

I’m willing to listen. But the legacy of slavery crap is a bit old in 2020. 

Segregation was a generation ago, thats not really old. 

Not sure how old you are, but in some of your masters classes your classmates may have had parents who lived through it.

But their parents and grandparents should have just tried harder 

Makes sense.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Soxbadger

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, Butter Parque said:

Again, they’re utilizing these “social assistance” programs and yet you believe they’re owed more. Should we give them a house? A wad of cash? We’re now looking at the idea of allowing them to commit crimes without fear of arrest. What more can we do before they become more productive members of society? 
 

I’m willing to listen. But the legacy of slavery crap is a bit old in 2020. 

I didn’t write anything about someone being owed more.

The reality is that we spend many hundreds of billions of dollars on socialism, in the form of corporate welfare supported by both parties.

Where are the protests against that?  There haven’t been any since Occupy Wall Street got nowhere.

 

The Communist solution here in China is to provide scholarships to ethnic minorities, to provide a free house or financial subside for those moving to less developed, western provinces of the country where most ethnic minorities live.  In addition, if you have a child as a single mother, it is not entitled to a public/government education and you also have to pay all the childbirth expenses by yourself.  Is that what we want?  

Or an abortion/unwanted kids/one child situation that has caused an imbalance of six males for every five females...meaning 1 in 6 boys can’t get married to a Chinese woman and have/raise a family, leading to a birthrate of barely 1 child per family and a rapidly aging population that 20-30 years from now won’t be supportable due to aging demographics.  In fact, because of the extraordinary costs of raising children in China/South Korea/Japan, many are choosing single life and freedom instead of marriage.

So every system in the world comes with a cost, either short or long term. 

 

[Butter Parque]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

First off, I fully disagree with you that all public schools are shitty.  That’s just total bullshit and there are definitely different degrees of bad even among just the shitty ones.  And again, if you are raised in a broken home with a single working parent, it’s very hard to be disciplined enough to stay in & do your homework and not go out & get into trouble.  You act like this all so simple to overcome, but ignore the reality of the vicious cycle that is poverty.  And BTW, your tax dollars don’t magically put everything on an even playing field, they simply provide a bare minimum quality of life.

Kid’s shouldn’t be raised by single parents. That’s the parents’ fault. 
 

They’re free to support they’re own minimum quality of life if they’d like. You talk about them like they’re deaf, dumb, and blind. They’re able-bodied as far as I can tell. In NY they’re begging minorities to work in the FDNY, NYPD. Good job, good benefits, better quality of life. 

[Butter Parque]

8 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Segregation was a generation ago, thats not really old. 

Not sure how old you are, but in some of your masters classes your classmates may have had parents who lived through it.

But their parents and grandparents should have just tried harder 

Makes sense.

Nope. It seems like the grandparents or parents did as well as they could if the grandchild/child has overcome all of this systemic racism/oppression/assault in order to now be sitting in a grad school classroom. Good for that guy/girl. We need more like them. 

[Chicago White Sox]

6 minutes ago, Butter Parque said:

Kid’s shouldn’t be raised by single parents. That’s the parents’ fault. 

Ok, but that doesn’t change the fact a lot of these kids are raised in single parent homes.  But I guess fuck em because their parents should have known better right?

Edited June 9, 2020 by Chicago White Sox

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Butter Parque said:

Nope. It seems like the grandparents or parents did as well as they could if the grandchild/child has overcome all of this systemic racism/oppression/assault in order to now be sitting in a grad school classroom. Good for that guy/girl. We need more like them. 

Maybe in a non rigged system they could have done better. Its patently false to act like slavery is when things became equal.

[3GamesToLove]

Holy shit; I don't know if I've ever seen someone be this openly and unabashedly racist on a sports forum before.

[greg775]

Should we start a thread on Minneapolis to abolish the police force? Was reading today that when the force gets disbanded that will be it for fire department calls and ambulance calls. The fire departments will want protection from police to put out all the looting fires and the ambulances will want no part of mayhem as well.

Will the government give the people time to move out of that state before they institute anarchy on the streets? Need a car? Carjack one. No police to stop you. Need a TV? Go take one from Target. Need a computer? Grab one and run out of the apple store. If I lived there I'd want a few months notice to move out of that state. From what I read it's got the support and will go into effect. No cops.

Edited June 9, 2020 by greg775

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, Butter Parque said:

Again, where are my tax dollars going then? What is all that section 8 housing and all those EBT cards for? What about affirmative action? Or the government contracting for minority owned businesses? All that and you still see residents of Chicago blowing each other’s heads off like it’s a weekend routine. 
 

The Jews seem to be doing very well overall. 

At best, you are one of the most sheltered people I have ever talked to.

[Quin]

19 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Should we start a thread on Minneapolis to abolish the police force? Was reading today that when the force gets disbanded that will be it for fire department calls and ambulance calls. The fire departments will want protection from police to put out all the looting fires and the ambulances will want no part of mayhem as well.

Will the government give the people time to move out of that state before they institute anarchy on the streets? Need a car? Carjack one. No police to stop you. Need a TV? Go take one from Target. Need a computer? Grab one and run out of the apple store. If I lived there I'd want a few months notice to move out of that state. From what I read it's got the support and will go into effect. No cops.

Greg, cut it out. I know you're hyperbolizing this because I know you have the cursory ability to look up that this is not what it means.

It's abolishing the current force and starting over.

Camden, NJ did it and is in a better place: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

So did Compton: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52969375

The result: New police forces rebuilt from the ground up. Funds redistributed go the community, but in both instances the police forces actually grew, but had a reformed culture.

[pettie4sox]

44 minutes ago, 3GamesToLove said:

Holy shit; I don't know if I've ever seen someone be this openly and unabashedly racist on a sports forum before.

I don't think Butter is racist, I think he's just a very egocentric individual.  It's a form of insecurity on his part.

[caulfield12]

53 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Should we start a thread on Minneapolis to abolish the police force? Was reading today that when the force gets disbanded that will be it for fire department calls and ambulance calls. The fire departments will want protection from police to put out all the looting fires and the ambulances will want no part of mayhem as well.

Will the government give the people time to move out of that state before they institute anarchy on the streets? Need a car? Carjack one. No police to stop you. Need a TV? Go take one from Target. Need a computer? Grab one and run out of the apple store. If I lived there I'd want a few months notice to move out of that state. From what I read it's got the support and will go into effect. No cops.

I would like to personally nominate Greg775 to replace Kristin McEnany as WH press secretary when she too, inevitably, gets fired.

If that doesn’t work, he can do anti-China twitterverse fighting off propaganda bots.

 

 

George Floyd Thread today...which will be spun be clapped back as “cancel culture” quite quickly.

Edited June 9, 2020 by caulfield12

[greg775]

35 minutes ago, Quin said:

Greg, cut it out.

Why do I get blamed like I'm coming up with some novel thing when Trump has said it, Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson has said it and it's getting talked about all over the dial? 

[3GamesToLove]

2 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Why do I get blamed like I'm coming up with some novel thing when Trump has said it, Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson has said it and it's getting talked about all over the dial? 

Because those people are all disingenuous and willfully obtuse morons?

[caulfield12]

46 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

I don't think Butter is racist, I think he's just a very egocentric individual.  It's a form of insecurity on his part.

Trump...I am not even sure he’s 100% racist, I think he simply is a master at manipulating his base with dog whistles, another version of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater.   His father was definitely racist, which he absorbed and then mainstreamed to make it palatable enough to serve his purposes.  He knows exactly where that line is (unlike with his treatment of women), and he keeps pushing at it and pushing at it, except he doesn’t realize that he’s no longer on the winning side of the NFL anthem argument or the winning side of the “law and order” argument.  Charlottesville was close to going over the edge.  As a businessman, he knows he risks endangering his brand...which makes him much more dangerous than a common, everyday run of the mill racist...because he manipulates his followers to act out without having to face any real consequences of his exercise of free speech.   

That said, if you asked everyone in America who was an independent or unregistered voter if “defunding police departments” (without explaining how those financial resources would be reallocated) you’d likely have a majority in favor of preserving police departments, including the current and likely to be former mayor of Minneapolis.

Edited June 9, 2020 by caulfield12

[Quin]

14 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Why do I get blamed like I'm coming up with some novel thing when Trump has said it, Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson has said it and it's getting talked about all over the dial? 

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Trump...I am not even sure he’s 100% racist, I think he simply is a master at manipulating his base with dog whistles, another version of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater.   His father was definitely racist, which he absorbed and then mainstreamed to make it palatable enough to serve his purposes.  He knows exactly where that line is (unlike with his treatment of women), and he keeps pushing at it and pushing at it, except he doesn’t realize that he’s no longer on the winning side of the NFL anthem argument or the winning side of the “law and order” argument.  Charlottesville was close to going over the edge.  As a businessman, he knows he risks endangering his brand...which makes him much more dangerous than a common, everyday run of the mill racist...because he manipulates his followers to act out without having to face any real consequences of his exercise of free speech.   

That said, if you asked everyone in America who was an independent or unregistered voter if “defunding police departments” (without explaining how those financial resources would be reallocated) you’d likely have a majority in favor of preserving police departments, including the current and likely to be former mayor of Minneapolis.

Donald Trump has a five decade history of racism.

[pettie4sox]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

I would like to personally nominate Greg775 to replace Kristin McEnany as WH press secretary when she too, inevitably, gets fired.

If that doesn’t work, he can do anti-China twitterverse fighting off propaganda bots.

 

 

George Floyd Thread today...which will be spun be clapped back as “cancel culture” quite quickly.

The amount of Covid spread... just wow lol

[Jerksticks]

26 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

The amount of Covid spread... just wow lol

Lol na dude.  It’s not spreading at the rallies.
 

 I’m still leafing through all the medical journals and cnn articles trying to figure out why the virus only spreads in the ozarks but not rallies.   Maybe boats + hamburgers equals spread, and tens of millions screaming in each other’s faces, often smoking or vaping clouds into the air, sometimes choking on tear gas equals containment.  
 

seems to me both situations would spread virus quite a bit.   It was reported that one of the partiers at that pool party tested positive and they traced that person’s whereabouts.   I wonder if they’ll do the same if one of the protesters tests positive?  Will the news let the public know where they were so we can all quarantine if we’re close? ?

Hopefully none of the protesters has the super-infectious virus.