Predict the White Sox 30 man opening roster

[Y2Jimmy0]

I think the White Sox were pretty much down to one spot back in March so this might not be hard to predict. I'm thinking they'll carry 16 pitchers and 14 position players initially. 

Starting Pitchers 

Lucas Giolito

Dallas Keuchel

Dylan Cease

Reynaldo Lopez

Gio Gonzales

Carlos Rodon

Michael Kopech 

Relievers 

Alex Colome

Kelvin Herrera

Steve Cishek

Aaron Bummer

Jace Fry

Evan Marshall

Jimmy Cordero

Carson Fulmer 

Ross Detwiler

Starting 9 

1. Tim Anderson SS 

2. Yoan Moncada 3B

3. Jose Abreu 1B

4. Yasmani Grandal C

5. Edwin Encarnacion DH

6. Eloy Jimenez LF 

7. Nomar Mazara RF 

8. Luis Robert CF 

9. Leury Garcia 2B 

Bench

James McCann (C)

Zack Collins (C)

Danny Mendick (INF)

Adam Engel (OF)

Cheslor Cuthbert (UT)

[flavum]

On paper, agreed. Cut two pitcher after two weeks...Detwiler and Fulmer probably. But it never goes as planned.

[SoCalChiSox]

10 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I think the White Sox were pretty much down to one spot back in March so this might not be hard to predict. I'm thinking they'll carry 16 pitchers and 14 position players initially. 

Starting Pitchers 

Lucas Giolito

Dallas Keuchel

Dylan Cease

Reynaldo Lopez

Gio Gonzales

Carlos Rodon

Michael Kopech 

Relievers 

Alex Colome

Kelvin Herrera

Steve Cishek

Aaron Bummer

Jace Fry

Evan Marshall

Jimmy Cordero

Carson Fulmer 

Ross Detwiler

Starting 9 

1. Tim Anderson SS 

2. Yoan Moncada 3B

3. Jose Abreu 1B

4. Yasmani Grandal C

5. Edwin Encarnacion DH

6. Eloy Jimenez LF 

7. Nomar Mazara RF 

8. Luis Robert CF 

9. Leury Garcia 2B 

Bench

James McCann (C)

Zack Collins (C)

Danny Mendick (INF)

Adam Engel (OF)

Cheslor Cuthbert (UT)

This looks pretty good except for Detwiler who might be first on the chopping block when Madrigal is brought up.

[Y2Jimmy0]

2 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

This looks pretty good except for Detwiler who might be first on the chopping block when Madrigal is brought up.

I feel like they need another lefty. I would've had Adalberto Mejia on there but he's not an option currently. 

[ChiSox59]

I'll be disappointed if Ross Detwiler makes another pitch for the Sox. 

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

I'll be disappointed if Ross Detwiler makes another pitch for the Sox. 

In a season like this one, I would be shocked if we didn't see a higher than normal volume of injuries.

[ChiSox59]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

In a season like this one, I would be shocked if we didn't see a higher than normal volume of injuries.

Sure, but we have 7 legit SP plus Dunning and Flores should get emergency starts before Detwiler.  Is Lambert fully healthy now?  Shit, even throw Drew Anderson out there if need be.  That's 9-11 guys before I'd throw out there before I got to Detwiler.  

I just don't see why Detwiler would ever be an option unless ALOT of thing go wrong, but the fact he made the initial 44 man roster probably indicates he'll be there at some point. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by ChiSox59

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

I still say it makes no sense to carry more than 13 pitchers; even with 30 man rosters.

At most, I'd carry 14.

1. Bummer
2. Cease
3. Cishek
4. Colome
5. Cordero
6. Fry
7. Giolito
8. Gio Gonzalez
9. Fulmer (yeeesh)
10. Keuchel
11. Lopez
12. Kopech
13. Rodon
14. Herera 

No other pitcher belongs. They'll probably keep bum Marshall and Guerrero up though. They should send the rest to taxi. That's 10 pitchers they should cut, leaving 4 position players out:

Basebe, Romine, Vaughn and Delmonico.

[Y2Jimmy0]

What? They don’t need 16 position players. It’ll be 16 pitchers at a minimum and maybe 17. There’s no reason not to carry that amount 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

24 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

What? They don’t need 16 position players. It’ll be 16 pitchers at a minimum and maybe 17. There’s no reason not to carry that amount 

Pinch runners and late inning fielding subs to keep people fresh and maximize every potential run scoring chance is a far better strategy than carrying a ton of pitchers.

You're saying to carry 18 pitchers when you're likely already carrying 7 starters, and there's no real extra innings and there's a 3 batter rule. You're talking about carrying a guy to let them pitch 4 innings in a season that assists you in winning 0. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[southsider2k5]

21 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Pinch runners and late inning fielding subs to keep people fresh and maximize every potential run scoring chance is a far better strategy than carrying a ton of pitchers.

You're saying to carry 18 pitchers when you're likely already carrying 7 starters, and there's no real extra innings and there's a 3 batter rule. You're talking about carrying a guy to let them pitch 4 innings in a season that assists you in winning 0. 

They are talking about starters going 3 to 4 innings early in the season.  I think Jim is right that we will be pitching heavy.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

They are talking about starters going 3 to 4 innings early in the season.  I think Jim is right that we will be pitching heavy.

I think he is correct too, ftr, but if you got 7 starters deep then them going 3-4 innings still isn't a problem and is still no reason to carry that many pitchers.

Those pitchers on the back end - whenever they pitch - are a liability. If you can't beat out Carson Fulmer for a job, you don't belong. Extra position players if used correctly are + on the run column. I just don't understand teams carrying a ton of pitchers when relievers can't be specialist with the 3 batter rule, and extra innings being short with a man starting on 2nd. I agree many teams will, I just think it's the wrong way. 

I get there are more going into this decision than MLB playing time and etc - especially with the limited practice by everyone everywhere.

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think he is correct too, ftr, but if you got 7 starters deep then them going 3-4 innings still isn't a problem and is still no reason to carry that many pitchers.

Those pitchers on the back end - whenever they pitch - are a liability. If you can't beat out Carson Fulmer for a job, you don't belong. Extra position players if used correctly are + on the run column. I just don't understand teams carrying a ton of pitchers when relievers can't be specialist with the 3 batter rule, and extra innings being short with a man starting on 2nd. I agree many teams will, I just think it's the wrong way. 

I get there are more going into this decision than MLB playing time and etc - especially with the limited practice by everyone everywhere.

I agree on having a specialist for defense and running that you otherwise wouldn't.  I like the 15/15 idea.  

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think he is correct too, ftr, but if you got 7 starters deep then them going 3-4 innings still isn't a problem and is still no reason to carry that many pitchers.

Those pitchers on the back end - whenever they pitch - are a liability. If you can't beat out Carson Fulmer for a job, you don't belong. Extra position players if used correctly are + on the run column. I just don't understand teams carrying a ton of pitchers when relievers can't be specialist with the 3 batter rule, and extra innings being short with a man starting on 2nd. I agree many teams will, I just think it's the wrong way. 

I get there are more going into this decision than MLB playing time and etc - especially with the limited practice by everyone everywhere.

If your start goes 3-4 or innings, versus the ~6 they normally do, you are probably using 1 to 2 more pitchers per game than you normally would.  Seeing as you can't use the same pitchers every day, it means you really do need at the very least a couple of more arms more than you would normally staff.  3-4 may well be the right number.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If your start goes 3-4 or innings, versus the ~6 they normally do, you are probably using 1 to 2 more pitchers per game than you normally would.  Seeing as you can't use the same pitchers every day, it means you really do need at the very least a couple of more arms more than you would normally staff.  3-4 may well be the right number.

Starters are averaging about 5 innings per start now. And you're already carrying at least 1, likely 2 extra pitchers than you usually would, despite there being no more specialists and no long games.

A great pinch runner/defensive replacement is worth a small + on the run/win column over the entire season. 

The 17th pitcher on a roster is almost certainly worth negative runs/wins on a roster over the course of the entire season.

In a sprint, getting every ounce of edge out of your roster is so much more important imo. I'd say you have between 180-215 innings going to relievers this year.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[TheFutureIsNear]

16 seems like a lot of pitchers. No thanks to Detweiler ever again. And I just don’t think Fulmer can hack it, although I understand that he will be give a shot to start the season. 
 

I’d like to see another athletic OF’er that can play D and run instead of Detweiler, but not sure that guy is ready and in the organization currently. Madrigal will take over for a P or Cuthbert eventually. 
 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

6 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Starters are averaging about 5 innings per start now. And you're already carrying at least 1, likely 2 extra pitchers than you usually would, despite there being no more specialists and no long games.

A great pinch runner/defensive replacement is worth a small + on the run/win column over the entire season. 

The 17th pitcher on a roster is almost certainly worth negative runs/wins on a roster over the course of the entire season.

In a sprint, getting every ounce of edge out of your roster is so much more important imo. I'd say you have between 180-215 innings going to relievers this year.

So what are the rules in extra innings starting with a runner on 2nd ? Can it be anyone or is there a rule specifying who it should be ? A very fast guy could be of great benefit on 2nd base in extra innings. If someone knocks him in with a double  another runner on 2nd  3rd with with none or 1 out could also have a pinch runner.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

The Sox would be better off carrying a guy like James Beard who can wreck havoc on the bases if nothing else than having a bum like Detwiler on the team. 

[Chicago White Sox]

Here are my predictions based on 40 man roster and option considerations.

Catchers (3):

• Grandal#
• McCann
• Collins*

Infielders (7):

• Abreu
• Garcia
• Anderson
• Moncada
• Encarnacion
• Mendick
• Cuthbert

Outfielders (4):

• Jimenez
• Robert
• Mazara
• Engel

Starters (7):

• Giolito
• Keuchel*
• Cease
• Lopez
• Gonzalez*
• Kopech
• Rodon

Relievers (9):

• Colome
• Bummer*
• Cishek
• Herrera
• Fry*
• Cordero
• Marshall
• Fulmer
• Hamilton

I think Cuthbert will get demoted to the taxi squad after five days for Madrigal.  Collins & Hamilton get demoted to the taxi squad after two weeks.  Fulmer gets DFAed after four weeks if he doesn’t start strong and then the worst arm out of Marshall & Cordero gets demoted to the taxi squad as well assuming all other arms are healthy & performing (unlikely IMO).

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

The Sox would be better off carrying a guy like James Beard who can wreck havoc on the bases if nothing else than having a bum like Detwiler on the team. 

I really don’t see them cutting someone from the 40 man roster to add Detwiler for a handful of weeks.

[Bob Sacamano]

If Madrigal is not on opening day roster then I wouldn't even plan on calling him up this year. They don't really have the excuse of "he needs more time in the minors" this season. Plus it's not like he really hit well in Spring Training.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

20 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Starters are averaging about 5 innings per start now. And you're already carrying at least 1, likely 2 extra pitchers than you usually would, despite there being no more specialists and no long games.

A great pinch runner/defensive replacement is worth a small + on the run/win column over the entire season. 

The 17th pitcher on a roster is almost certainly worth negative runs/wins on a roster over the course of the entire season.

In a sprint, getting every ounce of edge out of your roster is so much more important imo. I'd say you have between 180-215 innings going to relievers this year.

Most people are under the assumption that starters will start the year going 3 or 4 innings. So when you say starters are averaging 5 innings per start now it doesn't apply to the now. There is no now. Pitchers will be starting coming off a long delay to the start of the season and some had not pitched at all in a spring training games.

Lucas Giolito and Kopech pitched 1 inning in ST

Keuchel pitched 7.2 innings in 2 starts

Rodon, Gio Gonzalez , DunnIng and Lambert  all 0 innings

Cease 3 starts 9.1 innings pitched

Lopez 2 starts 7.1 innings pitched

Among the RH relievers to pitch in ST

Fulmer had the most innings 9.2 and actually looked pretty good.

Among the others from the 40 none had more than 5.2 innings. Burdi had 4 innings and looked pretty good and I think he was not even invited to summer camp. Hoping he isn't experiencing pain but why not have him invited otherwise ? Maybe too many RH relievers to invite him.

LH relievers:

We only had 2 who from the 40 appeared in ST games and that was Bummer and Flores  . All others who appeared in games were Non Roster Invitees.

Among the hitters who looked best in ST. Collins , Mercedes, Vaughn, Engel, Robert, Mazara with more than 20 AB. Cuthbert was the only guy among 2B, 3B and SS who looked good in ST but he  also had a few errors.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

15 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

If Madrigal is not on opening day roster then I wouldn't even plan on calling him up this year. They don't really have the excuse of "he needs more time in the minors" this season. Plus it's not like he really hit well in Spring Training.

No middle infielder nor 3rd baseman hit well in ST. The only one was Cuthbert and he looked terrible in the field.

[Bob Sacamano]

11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

No middle infielder nor 3rd baseman hit well in ST. The only one was Cuthbert and he looked terrible in the field.

Yes  but my point is you can't really play the service time game and say he needs to improve in the minors. If you're going to call him up after whatever date it is you need for him to stay down (what, 6-7 games?) , you might as well start him in the majors on opening day.

[spiderman]

On 6/29/2020 at 12:51 PM, ChiSox59 said:

I'll be disappointed if Ross Detwiler makes another pitch for the Sox. 

He's not good, but, with expanded rosters, someone is going to be needed to throw garbage innings for games that get out of hand. I'd much rather throw him out there in the 3rd inning if the White Sox are down 7-1.