spiderman Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 16 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: 16 seems like a lot of pitchers. No thanks to Detweiler ever again. And I just don’t think Fulmer can hack it, although I understand that he will be give a shot to start the season. I’d like to see another athletic OF’er that can play D and run instead of Detweiler, but not sure that guy is ready and in the organization currently. Madrigal will take over for a P or Cuthbert eventually. Early on, with starting pitchers not throwing deep into games, managers are going to use a ton of pitchers game to game. Some relievers won't be as available early on in B2B games also. 16 is crazy, but gives the manager a ton of flexibility game to game and manage inning to inning while allowing the staff to build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Yes but my point is you can't really play the service time game and say he needs to improve in the minors. If you're going to call him up after whatever date it is you need for him to stay down (what, 6-7 games?) , you might as well start him in the majors on opening day. I guess I'm doubting that he would file a grievance over those 6 or 7 games unless the players union strongly urges him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, spiderman said: He's not good, but, with expanded rosters, someone is going to be needed to throw garbage innings for games that get out of hand. I'd much rather throw him out there in the 3rd inning if the White Sox are down 7-1. That person’s name is Carson Fulmer and he’s already on the 40 man roster and has no options. I just don’t see Detwiler being a fit unless players opt-out / get quarantined. Edited June 30, 2020 by Chicago White Sox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Are there any free agents available or any speedy minor league talent in the system known for their baserunning? Would be nice for those late innings or extra innings to have a player for that specific situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: That person’s name is Carson Fulmer and he’s already on the 40 man roster and has no options. I just don’t see Detwiler being a fit unless players opt-out / get quarantined. Is he still being stretched out or more of a 1 inning guy? Detwiler is awful so if Fulmer can fill that role, fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 hours ago, spiderman said: He's not good, but, with expanded rosters, someone is going to be needed to throw garbage innings for games that get out of hand. I'd much rather throw him out there in the 3rd inning if the White Sox are down 7-1. With our new and improved lineup...we are not out of a 7-1 game.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:07 AM, poppysox said: With our new and improved lineup...we are not out of a 7-1 game.? Only about 99.8% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 To me it seems like there are 26 roster locks at the moment: Pitchers Lucas Giolito Dallas Keuchel Carlos Rodon Reynaldo Lopez Dylan Cease Gio Gonzales Alex Colome Kelvin Herrera Steve Cishek Aaron Bummer Jace Fry Carson Fulmer Evan Marshall Jimmy Cordero Position Players Jose Abreu Edwin Encarnacion Tim Anderson Yoan Moncada Leury Garcia Danny Mendick Yasmani Grandal James McCann Eloy Jimenez Luis Robert Nomar Mazara Adam Engel 4 spots remaining for the opener. I'm guessing 1 catcher, 1 position player and 2 more relievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: To me it seems like there are 26 roster locks at the moment: Pitchers Lucas Giolito Dallas Keuchel Carlos Rodon Reynaldo Lopez Dylan Cease Gio Gonzales Alex Colome Kelvin Herrera Steve Cishek Aaron Bummer Jace Fry Carson Fulmer Evan Marshall Jimmy Cordero Position Players Jose Abreu Edwin Encarnacion Tim Anderson Yoan Moncada Leury Garcia Danny Mendick Yasmani Grandal James McCann Eloy Jimenez Luis Robert Nomar Mazara Adam Engel 4 spots remaining for the opener. I'm guessing 1 catcher, 1 position player and 2 more relievers. Collins will definitely make it. If they are gonna squeeze 60 games into like 61 days that's rough, they will need a third catcher who can work a 1B/DH rotation with Abreu and Encarnacion esp since the division is filled with righties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: 4 spots remaining for the opener. I'm guessing 1 catcher, 1 position player and 2 more relievers. I think Hamilton is close to a lock given he’s on the 40 man roster already. Not sure who the other pitcher might be though. Fegan predicted Dunning and that was before Kopech opted out, and I could then including him (if healthy) until rosters get called down to 28. I think Cuthbert is the one guy not on the 40 man who is very likely to be given a spot (assuming they wait a week to call up Madrigal). And I think Collins gets that catcher spot so they have a left-handed bat off the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 7/11/2020 at 8:59 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I think Hamilton is close to a lock given he’s on the 40 man roster already. Not sure who the other pitcher might be though. Fegan predicted Dunning and that was before Kopech opted out, and I could then including him (if healthy) until rosters get called down to 28. I think Cuthbert is the one guy not on the 40 man who is very likely to be given a spot (assuming they wait a week to call up Madrigal). And I think Collins gets that catcher spot so they have a left-handed bat off the bench. The bullpen could have some surprises for sure if not on opening day surely as the season progresses. Lambert could be in the mix , Dunning too as you mentioned. Fulmer hasn't done anything yet to think he wouldn't make it. I keep hoping he finds it. It's not like he has bad stuff. Quite the contrary he just cant control it. If he ever can he will be effective out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Anderson, Moncada, Abreu, Grandal, Encarnacion, Jimenez, Mazara, Robert, Madrigal McCann, Collins, Mendick, Garcia, Engel Giolito, Keuchel, Lopez, Rodon, Cease Gonzalez, Hamilton, Marshall, Fulmer, Cordero, Fry, Herrera, Cishek, Bummer, Colome last spot- Drew Anderson or Ross Detwiler, although Dunning would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 My guess as of the moment: Pitchers 1. Giolito 2. Keuchel 3. Cease 4. Rodon 5. Lopez 6. Gonzalez 7. Bummer 8. Colome 9. Cordero 10. Cishek 11. Marshall 12. Fry 13. Heuer 14. Herrera 15. Fulmer Position Players 17. Grandal 18. Abreu 19. Mendick 20. Anderson 21. Moncada 22. Jimenez 23. Robert 24. Mazara 25. Encarnacion 26. Garcia 27. Engel 28. McCann 29. Cuthbert 30. Collins 3 man taxi traveling squad Dunning, Mercedes, Madrigal* *Expected to be brought up in place of Cuthbert or Collins once service time issues out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, flavum said: Anderson, Moncada, Abreu, Grandal, Encarnacion, Jimenez, Mazara, Robert, Madrigal McCann, Collins, Mendick, Garcia, Engel Giolito, Keuchel, Lopez, Rodon, Cease Gonzalez, Hamilton, Marshall, Fulmer, Cordero, Fry, Herrera, Cishek, Bummer, Colome last spot- Drew Anderson or Ross Detwiler, although Dunning would be cool Drew Anderson or Detwiler would require cutting someone from the 40 man roster. Doesn’t seem likely to me, especially for guys who would likely be removed from the active roster after two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Yeah, I don't see Madrigal on the team until August 1 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Drew Anderson or Detwiler would require cutting someone from the 40 man roster. Doesn’t seem likely to me, especially for guys who would likely be removed from the active roster after two weeks. Does Kopech on the restricted list open a spot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, flavum said: Does Kopech on the restricted list open a spot? Good call, maybe it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 11:18 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I guess I'm doubting that he would file a grievance over those 6 or 7 games unless the players union strongly urges him . He would have the best case yet (in this exact scenario) though, right? As SoxFan2014 noted, players lose that grievance because the teams have plausible deniability. The player needs to work on some specific skill, and they do that in the minors, then they get called up. With no minors to play in, how is Madrigal supposed to have proved to the team that whatever skill he is supposedly lacking in has been fixed? They also can't use the vague "he needed seasoning/ to see more AAA at-bats/etc." Maybe they could get away with it if the starting 2B or Cuthbert or whoever plays horribly in the first week, but I think Madrigal would have a far stronger case than any minor leaguer so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I don't know all the ins and outs of the CBA but in a season in which Covid is a big concern and finishing the season might be 50/50 maybe that would be a good enough reason to hold him out for about a month rather than 6 days and see how the season goes , monitor Covid cases throughout the league and if they are rising then you have worries about the season actually finishing . If it's going well then call him up. Maybe Covid is a good enough reason rather than needing to work on something. I'm not sure a player has ever won a grievance challenging the CBA and perhaps Madrigal would have a better chance in that scenario that there are no minor leagues but then again he Sox could use the reasoning that they didn't want to waste however much of his service time they would lose in a season that had a good chance to be lost without crowning a champion. Hopefully it doesn't all come to this and everything is cool between Madrigal and the Sox no matter how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 17 hours ago, gusguyman said: He would have the best case yet (in this exact scenario) though, right? As SoxFan2014 noted, players lose that grievance because the teams have plausible deniability. The player needs to work on some specific skill, and they do that in the minors, then they get called up. With no minors to play in, how is Madrigal supposed to have proved to the team that whatever skill he is supposedly lacking in has been fixed? They also can't use the vague "he needed seasoning/ to see more AAA at-bats/etc." Maybe they could get away with it if the starting 2B or Cuthbert or whoever plays horribly in the first week, but I think Madrigal would have a far stronger case than any minor leaguer so far. I think Madrigal is the starting 2nd baseman on opening day. He is this teams best at the position and that is what will count in the end. Others said Robert and or Moncada wouldn't sign an extension because they already had enough money to gamble on themselves. Those people taking that view were wrong. TA signed one after being brought up and playing for a while. RH will get it done IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Would have been the perfect time to go to a permanent 30 man which makes the game more interesting and the roster more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, poppysox said: I think Madrigal is the starting 2nd baseman on opening day. He is this teams best at the position and that is what will count in the end. Others said Robert and or Moncada wouldn't sign an extension because they already had enough money to gamble on themselves. Those people taking that view were wrong. TA signed one after being brought up and playing for a while. RH will get it done IMO. Wait, are you saying they are going to sign Madrigal to an extension before opening day? Or that they won't but won't play service time games with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, gusguyman said: Wait, are you saying they are going to sign Madrigal to an extension before opening day? Or that they won't but won't play service time games with him? I would think the latter. Really hope they just let he and Robert debut a week from tonight, batting 8th and 9th, and let the good times roll. Edited July 17, 2020 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, flavum said: I would think the latter. Really hope they just let he and Robert debut a week from tonight, batting 8th and 9th, and let the good times roll. Robert should not be hitting 8th. It's possible he could be the best hitter on the team. Maybe he's not there yet, but burying him at the bottom would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, gusguyman said: Wait, are you saying they are going to sign Madrigal to an extension before opening day? Or that they won't but won't play service time games with him? I am saying he will be the starting 2nd baseman on opening day IMO. He may sign an extension like some of the other guys or not. He will get the job because he is the best player we have in the 2nd base position. It is in his and WS best interest. As a side note...I think there is an excellent chance he is offered an extension because RH seems to excel at finding the package that fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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