Eloy left game with lightheadedness.

[southsider2k5]

 

[Flash]

Bad look for Eloy. Barely touched the wall and laid there until trainer came out then leaves game next inning. Worst part is ball was catchable if he wasn't such a defensive dork.

 

[wegner]

Let's hope Eloy is not out for long.

[SoCalChiSox]

Hopefully he only sits out tomorrow's game.  

 

[Richie]

22 minutes ago, Flash said:

Bad look for Eloy. Barely touched the wall and laid there until trainer came out then leaves game next inning. Worst part is ball was catchable if he wasn't such a defensive dork.

 

It's amazing how athletic and coordinated he looks in the box. In contrast to how big, dopey, and clumsy he looks chasing down balls in left field. 

[ron883]

1 minute ago, Richie said:

It's amazing how athletic and coordinated he looks in the box. In contrast to how big, dopey, and clumsy he looks chasing down balls in left field. 

Eloy = Lennie, Madrigal = George

[soxfan49]

2 hours ago, Flash said:

Bad look for Eloy. Barely touched the wall and laid there until trainer came out then leaves game next inning. Worst part is ball was catchable if he wasn't such a defensive dork.

 

The ball was 100% not catchable

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

4 hours ago, Flash said:

Bad look for Eloy. Barely touched the wall and laid there until trainer came out then leaves game next inning. Worst part is ball was catchable if he wasn't such a defensive dork.

 

Stone seemed to think it wasn't catchable.

[caulfield12]

4 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Eloy = Lennie, Madrigal = George

Ummm...all one has to do is watch David Peralta’s highlights from today to see how a real LFer looks, proper routes, jumps and positioning, etc.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Hopefully the heat had more of an impact on how he felt out there. It was brutal outside under the sun. 

[Middle Buffalo]

16 hours ago, Richie said:

It's amazing how athletic and coordinated he looks in the box. In contrast to how big, dopey, and clumsy he looks chasing down balls in left field. 

I saw him for the first time in 2019 Spring Training. I was sitting down the 3rd base line and saw him trot to his spot in LF. Clumsy is an understatement. I didn’t know anything about him defensively, and I knew we were in trouble just based on seeing him run.

[Richie]

On 7/26/2020 at 10:47 PM, caulfield12 said:

Ummm...all one has to do is watch David Peralta’s highlights from today to see how a real LFer looks, proper routes, jumps and positioning, etc.

That's insensitive to folks trying to be real LF'ers. Watch your tone. 

[southsider2k5]

 

[Tnetennba]

 

[hi8is]

7 minutes ago, SouthWallace said:

 

Per https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/an-overview-of-concussion-protocols-across-professional-sports-leagues#major-league-baseball-mlb-click-here-for-mlb-protocols

MLB implemented a new concussion policy in March 2011. The regulations governing concussions can be found in Attachment 36 of the Basic Agreement.17

In addition, for the 2014 season, MLB and the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) agreed to a one-year test of a rule limiting home plate collisions, in part to try to reduce the increasing number of concussions suffered by catchers.18

Baseline testing 

Baseline neurological testing is required for all players during spring training, or when a player joins a new team.19 The baseline evaluation consists of the Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Testing (ImPACT) program.

Education programme

The league and the MLBPA jointly “creat[ed] and distribut[ed] educational materials for Players on the assessment and management of concussions, including a Concussion Information Sheet and a joint memorandum.”20There are also training and educations sessions for club personnel “throughout the course of the season and during the off-season.”21

The league also works with national organisations to advise club personnel of “concussion-related continuing education sessions.”22

Additionally, in July 2014, MLB used its annual All-Star Game as a platform to educate youth baseball players about head injuries and the importance of wearing a batting helmet.23

Assessment Protocol

When a player is suspected of having a concussion, he must undergo SCAT testing, which will be performed in the clubhouse by the team physician or certified athletic trainer.24

When a player is diagnosed with a concussion, he goes on the concussion-specific seven-day disabled list, meaning that he must sit out for at least seven days. According to the league, the concussion-specific disabled list “[allows] concussions to clear, prevent players from returning prematurely and give clubs a full complement of players in one's absence."25

Who makes the decision on when player returns to participation?

The final decision lies with the league’s medical director and the MLBPA’s concussion expert.26In the event that the medical director and the MLBPA’s expert cannot agree on whether the player should be returned to play, they will refer the matter to an independent expert, who will make the final decision.27

The player’s club must submit a “Return to Play” form to the league’s medical director. As explained by Stephania Bell, a clinical orthopaedic specialist and ESPN’s injury analyst, “in that form, the club's head physician must establish that:

1. all symptoms at rest and with exertion (including baseball-related activities) have cleared
,
2. ImPACT results have returned to baseline
, and
3. the club physician, in his or her judgment, feels it is safe for the player to return to competition.”28

“The medical director then has the right to request further documentation or consultation with other physicians before providing final clearance. Similar return-to-field criteria will be required for umpires.”29

“Additionally, each club is required to designate an MTBI (mild traumatic brain injury) specialist, who is not one of the club physicians, in its home city.”30

In addition, a web-based medical records system, created in 2010, ensures that players medical histories, injuries, and treatment plans are documented.31 This allows for team doctors and trainers to keep track of each player’s history of concussions and make any necessary adjustments in treatment.

[Dominikk85]

On 7/27/2020 at 12:42 AM, Richie said:

It's amazing how athletic and coordinated he looks in the box. In contrast to how big, dopey, and clumsy he looks chasing down balls in left field. 

Yeah, he really is a danger for himself and others out there in the OF, using strange footwork and not knowing where the wall and his other outfielders are.

I really fear that there could be a collision with robert because robert very aggressively goes for balls into the gaps and eloy doesn't know where he is when he is just focused on the ball. Robert at least needs to be able to rely on eloy getting the hell out of the way when he is called off. But it seems sometimes eloy is just focusing on the ball and then blacking out everything else.

The question is whether you can clean that up. He is not a plus athlete but just athletically he could handle left field a couple years. But he needs to improve his footwork and his general overview in the OF, you simply always need to know where the walls and the other fielders are so he can avoid hurtig himself or other fielders.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Dominikk85

[Flash]

Eloy plays OF like a natural DH. The problem is we have 3 natural DHs in regular lineup (Abreu, EE, Eloy).  Our pitching staff will have enough trouble getting outs and can use all the defensive help they can get. Throw in Anderson and, while fun to watch at the plate, this team would be no fun to pitch for. Mazara not really a GG RFr either. 

[2Deep]

Is there a time frame from MLB as to when/if they would clear ELOY for today? Thanks 

[Balta1701]

6 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

Yeah, he really is a danger for himself and others out there in the OF, using strange footwork and not knowing where the wall and his other outfielders are.

I really fear that there could be a collision with robert because robert very aggressively goes for balls into the gaps and eloy doesn't know where he is when he is just focused on the ball. Robert at least needs to be able to rely on eloy getting the hell out of the way when he is called off. But it seems sometimes eloy is just focusing on the ball and then blacking out everything else.

The question is whether you can clean that up. He is not a plus athlete but just athletically he could handle left field a couple years. But he needs to improve his footwork and his general overview in the OF, you simply always need to know where the walls and the other fielders are so he can avoid hurtig himself or other fielders.

It's hard to believe these are anything other than basic skills that could be worked on with appropriate practice.

Maybe we give some leeway due to the multi-month shutdown, but "working with footwork" and "how to know where the wall is" are things you drill on. There's nothing genetic about putting yoru feet in the right spot.

[Jack Parkman]

All it's going to take is one miscommunication between Eloy and Robert and Robert gets injured and is never the same....If they don't DH Eloy next year it's bound to happen. Eloy has zero awareness of his surroundings in the OF. 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Jack Parkman

[Chicago White Sox]

6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

All it's going to take is one miscommunication between Eloy and Robert and Robert gets injured and is never the same....If they don't DH Eloy next year it's bound to happen. Eloy has zero awareness of his surroundings in the OF. 

They aren’t DHing Eloy next year.

[Richie]

2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

It's hard to believe these are anything other than basic skills that could be worked on with appropriate practice.

Maybe we give some leeway due to the multi-month shutdown, but "working with footwork" and "how to know where the wall is" are things you drill on. There's nothing genetic about putting yoru feet in the right spot.

Well, I mean, sure there is. Being coordinated enough to execute proper footwork consistently. Especially in a game setting where things are moving fast. That requires athletic ability. 

Eloy has been a professional baseball player for a number of years. All of this stuff you're talking about is elementary. Shit, it's stuff you do in high school. Much less the pros. If you're at the major league level and you still look THAT lost. It's hard to get optimistic about you figuring anything out suddenly. 

I mean, jeez... knowing where the wall is when you feel yourself get to the warning track? That's just spacial awareness. I don't know how you can be a big league outfielder and be that clueless when you feel the grass under your feet turn to clay. It's rather obvious. 

[Jack Parkman]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They aren’t DHing Eloy next year.

RIP Robert then....Eloy's going to kill him. 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Jack Parkman

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, Richie said:

Well, I mean, sure there is. Being coordinated enough to execute proper footwork consistently. Especially in a game setting where things are moving fast. That requires athletic ability. 

Eloy has been a professional baseball player for a number of years. All of this stuff you're talking about is elementary. Shit, it's stuff you do in high school. Much less the pros. If you're at the major league level and you still look THAT lost. It's hard to get optimistic about you figuring anything out suddenly. 

I mean, jeez... knowing where the wall is when you feel yourself get to the warning track? That's just spacial awareness. I don't know how you can be a big league outfielder and be that clueless when you feel the grass under your feet turn to clay. It's rather obvious. 

It is obvious NOT stuff that really gets done in the Latin American/Cuban games.  We see player after player get to the US without these skills.  It is about getting noticed with the bat, and then the rest can fall into place eventually.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They aren’t DHing Eloy next year.

Yep. The way I see it, if he doesn't improve over the next 2 years, he's the DH when Abreu leaves (who should switch to permanent DH next year when Vaughn is eventually called up).