caulfield12 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yeah.....he's been popping up meatballs and it's frustrating. There's a reason why Pete Rose and Chipper Jones are the only switch hitters I can think of that batted over .300 for their career, and only barely for both. Rose and Chipper were .303 and Mantle was .298 and I think they're the only ones anywhere close to .300. Moncada will be fine, and I'm not blaming him for starting slow in the XBH dept. What's encouraging is that he's still getting singles and walking even while fighting his swing a bit. Tim Raines, Alomar, Berkman, Eddie Murray...Frankie Lindor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Tim Raines, Alomar, Berkman, Eddie Murray...Frankie Lindor Murray was a career .287 hitter. Robbie Alomar was also a .300 hitter, I missed him somehow. I guess you can consider .293 and .294 close. That's Berkman and Raines respectively. They're just below close for me. Edited August 3, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Being an OCD numbers guy, I just like the fact that Madrigal slash line is all the same 308/308/308. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: Being an OCD numbers guy, I just like the fact that Madrigal slash line is all the same 308/308/308. It’ll be that way forever if he just never walks and only hits singles ? How about 308/404/803? ? Edited August 3, 2020 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, hi8is said: It’ll be that way forever if he just never walks and only hits singles ? How about 308/404/803? ? Palindromes work too. I just have never seen the identical numbers this many at bats in. And yes it's because of only getting on base with singles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 My Madrigal offensive comp is Marco Scutaro after he left Oakland. From 2008 to 2013 he averaged the following per 162 games: 35 2B 2 3B 9 HR 101 OPS+ 8.9% BB% 9.1% K% .287/.352/.391/.744 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kalapse said: My Madrigal offensive comp is Marco Scutaro after he left Oakland. From 2008 to 2013 he averaged the following per 162 games: 35 2B 2 3B 9 HR 101 OPS+ 8.9% BB% 9.1% K% .287/.352/.391/.744 Maybe less homers but the rest is probably close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Maybe less homers but the rest is probably close. Less strike outs, slightly higher ave is my guess also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I think he will get to more power. Howie kendrick could be a good comp, from 15 to 19 he averaged .297/.350/.445 with 10 Homers a year. Madrigal could do that too, maybe not this year but next year with a bit more strength and some little swing tweaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: I think he will get to more power. Howie kendrick could be a good comp, from 15 to 19 he averaged .297/.350/.445 with 10 Homers a year. Madrigal could do that too, maybe not this year but next year with a bit more strength and some little swing tweaks. A .297 average and .150 ISO strikes me as Madrigal at his peak unless he finds some magic muscle, I can't see him averaging those numbers over many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, hi8is said: Less strike outs, slightly higher ave is my guess also. I roomed with a guy in Low A named Less Strikeouts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I roomed with a guy in Low A named Less Strikeouts. Hopefully he was a position player and not a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Given that they messed with Madrigal's service time, do you guys think that they Keep Kopech down until Memorial Day next year, or will they just take the extra year from the opt-out? I think they could be justified in sending Kopech to the Minors because he hasn't pitched in 2 years. Edited August 5, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Given that they messed with Madrigal's service time, do you guys think that they Keep Kopech down until Memorial Day next year, or will they just take the extra year from the opt-out? I think they could be justified in sending Kopech to the Minors because he hasn't pitched in 2 years. They'll definitely hold him down in the minors long enough and its completely fair seeing as though he will be over 2 years removed from a mound in an MLB (hell even minor league) game. Gotta shake the rust off. Edited August 5, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Given that they messed with Madrigal's service time, do you guys think that they Keep Kopech down until Memorial Day next year, or will they just take the extra year from the opt-out? I think they could be justified in sending Kopech to the Minors because he hasn't pitched in 2 years. Depends on whether or not that sign a legitimate starting pitcher in the off-season. I don't think they'll do that, but if they do then you have Giolito, Keuchel, and FA SP as locked into your rotation and then a battle of Kopech, Cease, Lopez, Rodon (?), and Dunning for your last two rotation spots. In that scenario I could see them sending Kopech to the minors for a few starts. It's harder to justify stashing Kopech in the minors if they don't add more pitching especially if Cease and Lopez don't take a step this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: They'll definitely hold him down in the minors long enough and its completely fair seeing as though he will be over 2 years removed from a mound in an MLB (hell even minor league) game. Gotta shake the rust off. He was up 45 days in 2018 so they'd have to keep him down until ~May 20th to get the year back. Memorial Day is the non-obvious date. Edited August 5, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I'm really hoping they announce jammed or sublexed shoulder and 4-6 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitown87 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Given that they messed with Madrigal's service time, do you guys think that they Keep Kopech down until Memorial Day next year, or will they just take the extra year from the opt-out? I think they could be justified in sending Kopech to the Minors because he hasn't pitched in 2 years. I think that they will, and I think that they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'm really hoping they announce jammed or sublexed shoulder and 4-6 weeks. I’m hoping they announce jammed shoulder and fewer than 4-6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) At least its the left shoulder. Still not convinced its not something much worse. If you slowmo down that slide, it sure looks like his forearm snapped up near his elbow. https://twitter.com/pinwheelsivypod/status/1290814114302849024?s=21 pause / slow mo at 50 second mark and watch forearm. Edited August 5, 2020 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 5:07 PM, Vulture said: Robert long term in the lead off spot seems like a waste to me. He should have the maximum amount of at bats with runners on base possible. I would go with Moncada, Robert, Jimenez at 2,3,4. I disagree. If Anderson ends up being 7th or 8th and Madrigal is 9th, Robert will have people on in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Given that they messed with Madrigal's service time, do you guys think that they Keep Kopech down until Memorial Day next year, or will they just take the extra year from the opt-out? I think they could be justified in sending Kopech to the Minors because he hasn't pitched in 2 years. Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: At least its the left shoulder. Still not convinced its not something much worse. If you slowmo down that slide, it sure looks like his forearm snapped up near his elbow. https://twitter.com/pinwheelsivypod/status/1290814114302849024?s=21 pause / slow mo at 50 second mark and watch forearm. That mechanism is really odd for a shoulder injury. Looked more like an elbow. The most common should injury with the arm out like that is an AC separation or an inferior subluxation. Weird. Edited August 5, 2020 by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I disagree. If Anderson ends up being 7th or 8th and Madrigal is 9th, Robert will have people on in front of him. 20+% of his at bats would be guaranteed to be with the bases empty. That could be close to 90 missed opportunities over the course of a full season compared to batting third, not to mention the difference in the rest of his at bats between hitting behind 9,1,2, in particular Moncada, and 7,8,9 hitters. He would also be the ideal batter to come up in a 2 out no runner situation, since between his speed and power he would be the most likely to be able to score with two outs. To me, its a no brainer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'm really hoping they announce jammed or sublexed shoulder and 4-6 weeks. I'm hoping it is a handful of days vs. even weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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