wegner Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: We did all this damage today without much of anything from EE, Moncada and Jimenez. Don't need them when the Nickys deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Just now, chw42 said: Damn shoulda been a 5th hit. The next South Side Folk Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Hope the Sox will avoid the Cards hotel in Milwaukee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Split with the Brewers and take 2 out of 3 from Cleveland and we are in good shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 50 runs through 9 games. 53 was MLB lead coming into today (Braves/Padres.) 5.6 per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Who had Detwiler as a valuable bullpen piece this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Nice easy inning from Detwiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Ballgame! Sox Win! Sox Win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Break out the McBrooms! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I love winning streaks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: You guys don't get it. Madrigal is unconventional in modern baseball. I want him to succeed, I really do. They're going to adjust to him and bring the RF in really shallow. Gonna be interesting to see what happens then. As with Giolito, let's just enjoy the success of one game without worrying too much about the next one. He's been the best hitter in his class ever since the last two years of high school/Team USA, the best pure college hitter at Oregon State, he's a smart hitter and will make the adjustments he needs to. He's the last player I'm really worried about of the young core going forward. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: As with Giolito, let's just enjoy the success of one game without worrying too much about the next one. He's been the best hitter in his class ever since the last two years of high school/Team USA, the best pure college hitter at Oregon State, he's a smart hitter and will make the adjustments he needs to. He's the last player I'm really worried about of the young core going forward. Yeah, he is a 3 WAR player. He doesn’t have a superstar ceiling, but that’s plenty good. People have this idea that 4th overall picks are automatic superstars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said: Yeah, he is a 3 WAR player. He doesn’t have a superstar ceiling, but that’s plenty good. People have this idea that 4th overall picks are automatic superstars It’s insane when people say “you don’t draft that type of player at #4”. It’s the worst comment you can see. If you go look at the past #4 picks they are pure dogshit. So anything above pure dogshit is actually really good, historically. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I would say that's a lack of understanding how the baseball draft works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodTim Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Good game from Madrigal. I agree compeletly with Harold here. I think he's David Eckstein. I hope he's better. I understand that most players drafted anywhere do not make it, but I think they did miss the chance to develop a higher ceiling player. If there's a real difference maker available, then I would trade him. Otherwise, what's done is done, and he's here now, so I hope he's an above average everyday player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodTim Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jerksticks said: It’s insane when people say “you don’t draft that type of player at #4”. It’s the worst comment you can see. If you go look at the past #4 picks they are pure dogshit. So anything above pure dogshit is actually really good, historically. You are not drafting experienced MLB players in the draft. The Rule 4 draft isn't Free Agency. Nobody really knows what they are getting which is why typically you shoot for ceiling and get burned, rather than shooting for floor and risking being burned when the player with the higher ceiling you thought hard about but passed on, makes it in another organization. In fairness to MLB execs however, there is no ability to trade down in the draft. It kind of forces execs to do things at places they might not want to in a perfect world. Maybe if Madrigal is the guy you like most at 4, and you aren't crazy about it, you'd otherwise trade down to pick up an additional asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 A career WAR of 10 is about average for a #4 pick. If Nick can manage 2 WAR per season, that would be a successful pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 41 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I would say that's a lack of understanding how the baseball draft works. It’s just simplifying it. The goal of the draft is to get really good baseball players that help your team. It’s easy to win Ceiling Trophies in the draft. Pretty much every guy drafted outside of college seniors is a ceiling guy. Either you convert drafts into WAR or you don’t. Madrigal’s ceiling is actually through the roof as one of the most unique players in the game. He’s a weird case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Jerksticks said: It’s just simplifying it. The goal of the draft is to get really good baseball players that help your team. It’s easy to win Ceiling Trophies in the draft. Pretty much every guy drafted outside of college seniors is a ceiling guy. Either you convert drafts into WAR or you don’t. Madrigal’s ceiling is actually through the roof as one of the most unique players in the game. He’s a weird case. I like Madrigal and did not object to our drafting him at the time, but this has to be a massive exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Baker said: A career WAR of 10 is about average for a #4 pick. If Nick can manage 2 WAR per season, that would be a successful pick. I know some are down on Madrigal, just like the year of his draft when he didn't destroy the minors that first half season, but you're talking a Carlos Sanchez ceiling at only a 2ish fWAR per season. That's setting the bar intentionally low IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, oldsox said: I like Madrigal and did not object to our drafting him at the time, but this has to be a massive exaggeration. It's not wrong at all, if you're solely measuring by WAR, you might take offense. Besides defense and baserunning, he's going to be like a captain on the field, along with Timmy Anderson. He's instantly our brightest baseball PLAYER before the first week of the season is over, and that's going to rub off on the rest of his teammates. Battling in his at-bats and not striking out. Always knowing the situation, where to throw the ball, correct fundamentals....imagining the potential players before they even happen. Otherwise, without players like that, we're just a collection of really talented players throw together, but he's going to be the glue that holds everything together. He has been a winner/around winning organizations (like Oregon State and Team USA) every since his middle teens. Best bunter and situational hitter. Capable of getting 15-25 steals per season, roughly, mostly through getting great reads/breaks on the pitchers. Not all of these can easily be captured by traditional metrics, but they will be measured in wins and losses just as accurately as analytics. 163 628 101 194 34 5 4 71 43 19 51 21 16 2 8 2 14 .309 .371 .398 .769 Those are his minor league totals...in 2021, 25-30 doubles, 4-6 triples, 3-5 homers....everything but the 43 stolen bases are realistic projections. As long as he's in the 725-775 OPS range, he'll be an above average major league player for all the reasons I listed above. Edited August 3, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: They need more opportunities to compare Chicago and KC steakhouses and BBQ joints. Of course, Kansas Citians think of Cheesecake Factory and Ruth's Chris as elegant, so pretty sure Chicago wins that argument. Well, the steaks, not BBQ. I'm from Chicago South Side, but I really don't like Cheesecake Factory (on trips to Boulder my friend always made me go there, overpriced and not great and now closed); and I don't like expensive steak houses either. Give me Kansas Speedway buffet anyday (pre COVID of course) or Green Valley Ranch buffet in Vegas anytime. I also despise Red Lobster type places and Applebees types. You hit it. Any of KC's BBQ joints are fine for me. And believe it or not, Lawrence has an excellent BBQ joint. Edited August 3, 2020 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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