Accountability Starts Monday, August 10th, 2020

[Whisox05]

 

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, aeichhor said:

 

Really love McCann more and more.

Interesting nothing so far out of Grandal, Abreu and EE.

Anderson will certainly have something to say if he’s in the lineup and we lose four in a row.

[gusguyman]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, aeichhor said:

 

Huh, weird, I must be missing the quotes where they blow off what he said because he played for the Astros? ?

[chitownsportsfan]

Is there a division between the American guys and the Latin guys?  I'm sensing so.

[southsider2k5]

 

[chitownsportsfan]

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

He spoke because what Renteria is saying (or isn't) isn't working.  Man, my first born for a competent manager on the South Side.  We've had maybe two years of Ozzie and that's about it the last two decades as far as above average managers.

[Chisoxfn]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

Is the last sentence from Renteria a jab at Keuchel for also saying it to the press?  

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Is the last sentence from Renteria a jab at Keuchel for also saying it to the press?  

Nah I think it's more like the press is much better at quoting white guys than the latino player because they don't need a translator.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Nah I think it's more like the press is much better at quoting white guys than the latino player because they don't need a translator.

Billy Russo is angry at you for that.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/8/16/18387506/white-sox-translator-billy-russo-wears-many-hats

[NWINFan]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Really love McCann more and more.

Interesting nothing so far out of Grandal, Abreu and EE.

Anderson will certainly have something to say if he’s in the lineup and we lose four in a row.

I like what McCann said, too. There has to be a sense of urgency for two  reasons. The first and obvious one is that the season is short. Slumps and losing streaks have to be short. The second one is obvious, too.  No winning seasons since 2012. I didn't and don't expect the team to go to World Series this season. But it's time we see a competitive team. It's not like off-season moves weren't made. No more talking rebuild. It is time to produce at some level. 

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, NWINFan said:

I like what McCann said, too. There has to be a sense of urgency for two  reasons. The first and obvious one is that the season is short. Slumps and losing streaks have to be short. The second one is obvious, too.  No winning seasons since 2012. I didn't and don't expect the team to go to World Series this season. But it's time we see a competitive team. It's not like off-season moves weren't made. No more talking rebuild. It is time to produce at some level. 

There's no legitimate reason we can't be the 7/8 seed in the AL.

If we're not there, with our favorable schedule (other than the Cubs, the Cardinals are going to have to go through Dante's Inferno in term of their August/September schedule playing in St. Louis of all hot/humid places in the world,) despite the injuries and Kopech opt-out, something has gone radically wrong.

Especially if the Tigers were to make it ahead of the White Sox.

There's just zero excuse for an organization that was supposed to be at least 2 years behind the White Sox trajectory.

[NWINFan]

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

He spoke because what Renteria is saying (or isn't) isn't working.  Man, my first born for a competent manager on the South Side.  We've had maybe two years of Ozzie and that's about it the last two decades as far as above average managers.

If other players have said things in the past, does this mean this is a persistent problem? Isn't this something a manager should address? Maybe even publicly?

[caulfield12]

https://theathletic.com/1989963/2020/08/12/white-sox-say-they-took-dallas-keuchels-words-to-heart-then-they-showed-it/?source=dailyemail

Pressed for what would actually constitute the need for “professional at-bats,” which Keuchel talked about when he addressed his teammates and then on a Zoom call with reporters, Renteria boiled it down to not swinging at junk. Even outside of their 14-runs-in-seven-games stretch, the White Sox have the second-highest out-of-zone chase rate in baseball this season coming into Tuesday’s breakthrough and the fourth-highest swinging strike rate. “We hit .400 in the zone,” Renteria said before Tuesday’s game.

“Somebody had to say it, and I think it was the right time for him to say it,” Anderson said. “Hopefully that will light a match under some guys and get them going. I don’t see anything wrong with what he said.

Edited August 12, 2020 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

18 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Especially if the Tigers were to make it ahead of the White Sox.

There's just zero excuse for an organization that was supposed to be at least 2 years behind the White Sox trajectory.

At least.  They didn't have near the jumpstart that the Sox FO did.

Further excuses for this regime are senseless.

[caulfield12]

Test passed, so far.

Next test is avoiding a Covid outbreak with the Cardinals and mass cancellations.

[wegner]

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Test passed, so far.

Next test is avoiding a Covid outbreak with the Cardinals and mass cancellations.

Will they cancel the Cardinal games one at a time or just the entire series?  When will we know?

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

Will they cancel the Cardinal games one at a time or just the entire series?  When will we know?

After more testing tmrw and Friday.

Saturday moved to 6 pm start to allow another round of tests early SAT morning.

Suppose they could lose SAT/SUN too, but decision wouldn’t occur until mid-day on Saturday.  Cardinals desperate to get restarted again, just not 100% that Friday will work for asymptomatics. 

Edited August 12, 2020 by caulfield12

[Perfect Vision]

2 minutes ago, wegner said:

Will they cancel the Cardinal games one at a time or just the entire series?  When will we know?

We seem to be getting close to the point of no return for the Cardinals, so to speak.  They've only played 5 games!!  Some clubs will be at 20 games after today.  At what point does it become essentially impossible for the Cardinals to have a viable season?  Would MLB really let them have a playoff spot if they only play 40 games, over some team that has played 60?  They need to start playing, and very soon, or just cancel their season.  

[wegner]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

After more testing tmrw and Friday.

Saturday moved to 6 pm start to allow another round of tests early SAT morning.

Suppose they could lose SAT/SUN too, but decision wouldn’t occur until mid-day on Saturday.  Cardinals desperate to get restarted again, just not 100% that Friday will work for asymptomatics. 

Wasn't that the name of your high school cover band?

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, wegner said:

Wasn't that the name of your high school cover band?

I wish, I was a "Soccer God" (inside joke about the long hair) and our Intramurals basketball team was nicknamed The Calculus Gods, although I was the only one in Math Analysis because I hated math (except statistics.)

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by caulfield12

[SonofaRoache]

On 8/11/2020 at 4:11 PM, southsider2k5 said:

 

Making it public adds accountability for our players, especially DK since he called people out. Also RR has been here for the rebuild and tanking. When would players have called each other out knowing the team wants to lose on purpose? 

Edited August 12, 2020 by SonofaRoache

[caulfield12]

15 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

Making it public adds accountability for our players, especially DK since he called people out. Also RR has been here for the rebuild and tanking. When would players have called each other out knowing the team wants to lose on purpose? 

“ Eloy, you need to tumble awkwardly into the netting more frequently while balls are in play!!!”

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, SonofaRoache said:

Making it public adds accountability for our players, especially DK since he called people out. Also RR has been here for the rebuild and tanking. When would players have called each other out knowing the team wants to lose on purpose? 

Players do the best they can. They have careers at stake,families to feed. No one loses on purpose. Even on a bad team guys are thinking they have opportunities to show that they are more than perceived . They all want to win. Most dont take losing silently. No matter how bad they are at the highest level most grew up as celebrated athletes and winners their whole lives.

[SonofaRoache]

20 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Players do the best they can. They have careers at stake,families to feed. No one loses on purpose. Even on a bad team guys are thinking they have opportunities to show that they are more than perceived . They all want to win. Most dont take losing silently. No matter how bad they are at the highest level most grew up as celebrated athletes and winners their whole lives.

By team I meant the front office. The players weren't good enough to win, although they tried. They wouldn't hold a meeting because they expected to lose. This team expects to win, hence the frustration. 

[caulfield12]

44 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

By team I meant the front office. The players weren't good enough to win, although they tried. They wouldn't hold a meeting because they expected to lose. This team expects to win, hence the frustration. 

Well, yeah, just compare the starting line-ups over the last three days.

How many Tigers would be starting on the White Sox?

Arguably, only Schoop and Jacoby Jones.   Cron is out for the season, but had put up much better numbers than EE/Grandal.

 

So losing to DET was pretty much like losing to the 2017-2019 White Sox teams.    (But, as someone noted, White Sox took 11/19 against CLE last year.)

Edited August 13, 2020 by caulfield12