ron883 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Growing up, I never realized how good of a player Jose Valentin was. I was a young meatball fan back then, like most are when they're young. I remember him leading the league in errors during his first year with the Sox, and thinking he was a lousy fielder. The advance metrics paint a different picture. Whether you like the stat or not, Jose's UZR at SS and 3B were very good throughout his tenure here. Below is Jose's WAR year by year during his tenure with the team: 2000: 4.5 2001: 3.3 2002: 3.5 2003: 3.9 2004: 2.2 Jose Valentin was a hell of a player with this Sox. I liked him, but didn't truly appreciate him in my younger years. Something I do remember is his walk-off against the Cubs. Man, was that sweet. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/video/day-jose-valentin-hits-walk-homer-vs-cubs 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 You? Wrong? My world is shattering! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Agree with you. Similar things will be said about alexei in not too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 7:40 PM, Blackout Friday said: Agree with you. Similar things will be said about alexei in not too long. Expand Alexei did get ragged on a lot for his mental blunders in the field, but his range and arm were superb. He had some great years with the team. I have always been an Alexei fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Lately, I have been having the same thoughts about Jose Abreu's fielding. He seems to have worked on improving quite a bit. He no longer looks like a defensive liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 8:58 PM, poppysox said: Lately, I have been having the same thoughts about Jose Abreu's fielding. He seems to have worked on improving quite a bit. He no longer looks like a defensive liability. Expand he looks like he lost 15 pounds as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 In 2000, Valentin turned 117 double plays in only 136 starts at short stop. The greatest defensive player of all time, Ozzie Smith, never had more than 113, and that was in 158 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 12:06 AM, Vulture said: In 2000, Valentin turned 117 double plays in only 136 starts at short stop. The greatest defensive player of all time, Ozzie Smith, never had more than 113, and that was in 158 games. Expand The actual greatest defensive player of all time, Omar Vizquel, never turned more than 108. I'm not sure what that says. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 7:47 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Well played. Expand I applauded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Things we were not wrong about: Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 12:52 AM, southsider2k5 said: Things we were not wrong about: Ron. Expand According to my Soxtalk profile, the people have determined my Community Reputation to be "Hall of Famer" status. I've also been deemed "winner of the day" 11 times. So SS2K5, you and all the great posters here were most definitely not wrong about Ron. You were god damn right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Jose Valentin....best mustache in White Sox history!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 12:12 AM, TaylorStSox said: The actual greatest defensive player of all time, Omar Vizquel, never turned more than 108. I'm not sure what that says. ? Expand Ozzie has the best defensive WAR in major league history and Omar isn't even close. Not that that is the be all end all, but it matches how I remember it, so I'm going with it. Point is Valentin turned a hell of a lot of double plays that year, and I'm pretty sure he had the most total chances by short stops that year as well. No one even came close to him in double plays turned. I'd argue he more than made up for the high number of errors by creating outs other short stops weren't making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 1:59 AM, Yearnin' for Yermin said: According to my Soxtalk profile, the people have determined my Community Reputation to be "Hall of Famer" status. I've also been deemed "winner of the day" 11 times. So SS2K5, you and all the great posters here were most definitely not wrong about Ron. You were god damn right. Expand That might get you a foot in the door at Manpower... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 5:38 AM, caulfield12 said: That might get you a foot in the door at Manpower... Expand He hasn't won the day in nearly five months. Hope he isn't just resting on his laurels! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 5:41 AM, Vulture said: He hasn't won the day in nearly five months. Hope he isn't just resting on his laurels! Expand That coincides with the beginning of the global pandemic. More competition, Ron’s wilting in the sun like Dutch tulips... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) On 8/15/2020 at 5:41 AM, Vulture said: He hasn't won the day in nearly five months. Hope he isn't just resting on his laurels! Expand On 8/15/2020 at 6:38 AM, caulfield12 said: That coincides with the beginning of the global pandemic. More competition, Ron’s wilting in the sun like Dutch tulips... Expand Mic. Drop. Thanks for playing, boys Edited August 15, 2020 by Yearnin' for Yermin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 3:40 PM, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Mic. Drop. Thanks for playing, boys Expand Rumors circulating on the Dark Web a Ukrainian troll farm was hired to hide behind VPNs and bombard SoxTalk with likes and trophies.... Mic drop only works for those 2,000 and higher...after missing most of last year, it’s a daunting challenge to get back in the “race.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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