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Growing up, I never realized how good of a player Jose Valentin was. I was a young meatball fan back then, like most are when they're young. I remember him leading the league in errors during his first year with the Sox, and thinking he was a lousy fielder. The advance metrics paint a different picture. Whether you like the stat or not, Jose's UZR at SS and 3B were very good throughout his tenure here.

Below is Jose's WAR year by year during his tenure with the team:

2000: 4.5

2001: 3.3

2002: 3.5

2003: 3.9

2004: 2.2

Jose Valentin was a hell of a player with this Sox. I liked him, but didn't truly appreciate him in my younger years. Something I do remember is his walk-off against the Cubs. Man, was that sweet.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/video/day-jose-valentin-hits-walk-homer-vs-cubs

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  On 8/15/2020 at 12:06 AM, Vulture said:

In 2000, Valentin turned 117 double plays in only 136 starts at short stop. The greatest defensive player of all time, Ozzie Smith, never had more than 113, and that was in 158 games.

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The actual greatest defensive player of all time, Omar Vizquel, never turned more than 108. I'm not sure what that says. ?

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  On 8/15/2020 at 12:52 AM, southsider2k5 said:

Things we were not wrong about: Ron.

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According to my Soxtalk profile, the people have determined my Community Reputation to be "Hall of Famer" status. I've also been deemed "winner of the day" 11 times.

So SS2K5, you and all the great posters here were most definitely not wrong about Ron. You were god damn right. 

 

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  On 8/15/2020 at 12:12 AM, TaylorStSox said:

The actual greatest defensive player of all time, Omar Vizquel, never turned more than 108. I'm not sure what that says. ?

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Ozzie has the best defensive WAR in major league history and Omar isn't even close. Not that that is the be all end all, but it matches how I remember it, so I'm going with it. Point is Valentin turned a hell of a lot of double plays that year, and I'm pretty sure he had the most total chances by short stops that year as well. No one even came close to him in double plays turned. I'd argue he more than made up for the high number of errors by creating outs other short stops weren't making.

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  On 8/15/2020 at 1:59 AM, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

According to my Soxtalk profile, the people have determined my Community Reputation to be "Hall of Famer" status. I've also been deemed "winner of the day" 11 times.

So SS2K5, you and all the great posters here were most definitely not wrong about Ron. You were god damn right. 

 

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That might get you a foot in the door at Manpower...

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  On 8/15/2020 at 5:41 AM, Vulture said:

He hasn't won the day in nearly five months. Hope he isn't just resting on his laurels!

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  On 8/15/2020 at 6:38 AM, caulfield12 said:

That coincides with the beginning of the global pandemic.  More competition, Ron’s wilting in the sun like Dutch tulips...

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Mic. Drop. Thanks for playing, boys

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  On 8/15/2020 at 3:40 PM, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

 

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Mic. Drop. Thanks for playing, boys

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Rumors circulating on the Dark Web a Ukrainian troll farm was hired to hide behind VPNs and bombard SoxTalk with likes and trophies....

Mic drop only works for those 2,000 and higher...after missing most of last year, it’s a daunting challenge to get back in the “race.” 

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