Slugging White Sox could be ready to eclipse Cubs

[caulfield12]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29727051/slugging-white-sox-ready-eclipse-cubs-chicago

 

[NWINFan]

The rebuild is at a real crosswords, no doubt about it. I got a strange feeling looking at the 10-1 score. The whole week just demonstrated that the team has real talent and has turned a significant corner. More work needs to be done. Young talent still has to develop, other pieces need to be added. Finally, we can see what the future can look like. It is up to FO and field management to take it from here.

[southsider2k5]

54 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

The rebuild is at a real crosswords, no doubt about it. I got a strange feeling looking at the 10-1 score. The whole week just demonstrated that the team has real talent and has turned a significant corner. More work needs to be done. Young talent still has to develop, other pieces need to be added. Finally, we can see what the future can look like. It is up to FO and field management to take it from here.

As the line up stand now, they are going to be extremely streaky.  The one reason I am looking forward to Madrigal is his game won't be as prone to slumps as the guys who are more boom or bust.  This is going to be an extremely variable output.  You can see them getting no hit one day, and 7 homers the next.  The talent is absolutely there though, and hopefully they keep building the minors so that the waves keep coming and refreshing as guys leave and/or fall off.  With the mass of pitching they are assembling, especially at the lower levels, that could be for making the 20's the Sox decade.

Having just finished up with the Cubs, the one thing that stands out is they dealt their next wave to try to extend their window.  How good would guys like Eloy and Gleybar look now pushing their window open a couple of more years?

[Kyyle23]

[caulfield12]

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

As the line up stand now, they are going to be extremely streaky.  The one reason I am looking forward to Madrigal is his game won't be as prone to slumps as the guys who are more boom or bust.  This is going to be an extremely variable output.  You can see them getting no hit one day, and 7 homers the next.  The talent is absolutely there though, and hopefully they keep building the minors so that the waves keep coming and refreshing as guys leave and/or fall off.  With the mass of pitching they are assembling, especially at the lower levels, that could be for making the 20's the Sox decade.

Having just finished up with the Cubs, the one thing that stands out is they dealt their next wave to try to extend their window.  How good would guys like Eloy and Gleybar look now pushing their window open a couple of more years?

 

Don't forget Soler.   Candelario/Paredes.   Vogelbach negligible/another Schwarber.   Dylan Cease.    

Almora not progressing, the lack of any pitching/draft-based development...him and Heyward being negligible offensive contributors doesn't help much.  Ian Happ seems to have recovered from his downward career trajectory, at least for  now.   

Do they have to trade Contreras/Bryant/Rizzo/Baez...because keeping just 1-2 of those guys out of the core, what's the point if they don't have enough left to make the playoffs.    Can now probably offload Yu Darvish deal, Chatwood and J-Hey, not so much.

 

Gleyber Torres, btw, has been pretty much garbage so far, but obviously has a ton of talent.

[Kyyle23]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Don't forget Soler.   Candelario/Paredes.   Vogelbach negligible/another Schwarber.   Dylan Cease.    

Almora not progressing, the lack of any pitching/draft-based development...him and Heyward being negligible offensive contributors doesn't help much.  Ian Happ seems to have recovered from his downward career trajectory, at least for  now.   

Do they have to trade Contreras/Bryant/Rizzo/Baez...because keeping just 1-2 of those guys out of the core, what's the point if they don't have enough left to make the playoffs.    Can now probably offload Yu Darvish deal, Chatwood and J-Hey, not so much.

 

Gleyber Torres, btw, has been pretty much garbage so far, but obviously has a ton of talent.

Uh, maybe this season

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Don't forget Soler.   Candelario/Paredes.   Vogelbach negligible/another Schwarber.   Dylan Cease.    

Almora not progressing, the lack of any pitching/draft-based development...him and Heyward being negligible offensive contributors doesn't help much.  Ian Happ seems to have recovered from his downward career trajectory, at least for  now.   

Do they have to trade Contreras/Bryant/Rizzo/Baez...because keeping just 1-2 of those guys out of the core, what's the point if they don't have enough left to make the playoffs.    Can now probably offload Yu Darvish deal, Chatwood and J-Hey, not so much.

 

Gleyber Torres, btw, has been pretty much garbage so far, but obviously has a ton of talent.

17 names.  Impressive.

[daggins]

Screw the Cubs, i'm ready for the Sox to eclipse the Twins.

[pcq]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Don't forget Soler.   Candelario/Paredes.   Vogelbach negligible/another Schwarber.   Dylan Cease.    

Almora not progressing, the lack of any pitching/draft-based development...him and Heyward being negligible offensive contributors doesn't help much.  Ian Happ seems to have recovered from his downward career trajectory, at least for  now.   

Do they have to trade Contreras/Bryant/Rizzo/Baez...because keeping just 1-2 of those guys out of the core, what's the point if they don't have enough left to make the playoffs.    Can now probably offload Yu Darvish deal, Chatwood and J-Hey, not so much.

 

Gleyber Torres, btw, has been pretty much garbage so far, but obviously has a ton of talent.

I don't like using the Cub as our yard stick. Darvish was awesome though. Seems like they were willing to move Bryant. I don't see the same Mo-Jo with this squad.

[mqr]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

As the line up stand now, they are going to be extremely streaky.  The one reason I am looking forward to Madrigal is his game won't be as prone to slumps as the guys who are more boom or bust.  This is going to be an extremely variable output.  You can see them getting no hit one day, and 7 homers the next.  The talent is absolutely there though, and hopefully they keep building the minors so that the waves keep coming and refreshing as guys leave and/or fall off.  With the mass of pitching they are assembling, especially at the lower levels, that could be for making the 20's the Sox decade.

Having just finished up with the Cubs, the one thing that stands out is they dealt their next wave to try to extend their window.  How good would guys like Eloy and Gleybar look now pushing their window open a couple of more years?

There's probably a division winner built around guys the Cubs have traded away. 

[southsider2k5]

 

[35thstreetswarm]

2 hours ago, daggins said:

Screw the Cubs, i'm ready for the Sox to eclipse the Twins.

Eclipsing the Twins (winning the division) will help them eclipse the Cubs (winning the battle for the city/fans/media).  Let's do both!

[JuliusO1274]

I never understand why most people defend the Chapman trade. Why do people assume the Cubs couldn't win the WS without him when they were already the best team in baseball before they got him. Even more stupid is the fact that he blew 3 saves during the playoffs yet people think he was essential just because he pitched some scoreless innings. Chapmans performance could have easily been replicated by other bullpen arms they had. Chapman rental was not worth trading away the career of someone like Gleybar Torres.  

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, JuliusO1274 said:

I never understand why most people defend the Chapman trade. Why do people assume the Cubs couldn't win the WS without him when they were already the best team in baseball before they got him. Even more stupid is the fact that he blew 3 saves during the playoffs yet people think he was essential just because he pitched some scoreless innings. Chapmans performance could have easily been replicated by other bullpen arms they had. Chapman rental was not worth trading away the career of someone like Gleybar Torres.  

GleybEr.

Not to be confused with Brusdar Graterol on LAD. 

[JuliusO1274]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

GleybEr.

Not to be confused with Brusdar Graterol on LAD. 

I wasn't sure if it was Gleyber or Gleybar but since another user in this thread spelled it "Gleybar" I figured that was the correct way. I won't take spelling lessons from soxtalk users anymore.

[SonofaRoache]

3 hours ago, daggins said:

Screw the Cubs, i'm ready for the Sox to eclipse the Twins.

I think it also means eclipse the Cubs as the team in Chicago. Which is fine by me, our guys will deserve the attention. 

[Kyyle23]

42 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

GleybEr.

Not to be confused with Brusdar Graterol on LAD. 

You just called Torres "garbage" and you want to quibble about the spelling of his first name ?

[35thstreetswarm]

1 hour ago, JuliusO1274 said:

I never understand why most people defend the Chapman trade. Why do people assume the Cubs couldn't win the WS without him when they were already the best team in baseball before they got him. Even more stupid is the fact that he blew 3 saves during the playoffs yet people think he was essential just because he pitched some scoreless innings. Chapmans performance could have easily been replicated by other bullpen arms they had. Chapman rental was not worth trading away the career of someone like Gleybar Torres.  

Thank you.  This “well, they won so it worked” story is too-easily-accepted conventional wisdom.

[Green Line]

I'm excited that we are on the upswing.  The Sox social media (mainly Twitter) accounts are very annoying, however.  We haven't won shit yet.  They complain about not enough respect.  Win, and people will give us respect.

[ShoeLessRob]

 

[Jose Abreu]

1 hour ago, JuliusO1274 said:

I never understand why most people defend the Chapman trade. Why do people assume the Cubs couldn't win the WS without him when they were already the best team in baseball before they got him. Even more stupid is the fact that he blew 3 saves during the playoffs yet people think he was essential just because he pitched some scoreless innings. Chapmans performance could have easily been replicated by other bullpen arms they had. Chapman rental was not worth trading away the career of someone like Gleybar Torres.  

 

40 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Thank you.  This “well, they won so it worked” story is too-easily-accepted conventional wisdom.

Whenever I bring this up on Soxtalk, I'm told they desperately needed relief help and he was the only option. I still really don't get how the ONLY option is trading your top prospect for 2 months of an elite closer as opposed to, I don't know, any other prospect for 2 months of any other reliever

[ron883]

1 hour ago, JuliusO1274 said:

I never understand why most people defend the Chapman trade. Why do people assume the Cubs couldn't win the WS without him when they were already the best team in baseball before they got him. Even more stupid is the fact that he blew 3 saves during the playoffs yet people think he was essential just because he pitched some scoreless innings. Chapmans performance could have easily been replicated by other bullpen arms they had. Chapman rental was not worth trading away the career of someone like Gleybar Torres.  

The guy pitched 28 games for the Cubs during the regular season and was flat out dominant. Without him, worse relievers get bumped up a spot and also accumulate more total innings. Nobody knows how that would have shaken out. Sure, Aroldis didn't have the best postseason. His numbers were by no means bad in the postseason, though. He pitched 15 2/3 innings, so he was getting worked by the Cubs.

 

We also know how important good bullpens are in today's MLB. Look at how hard the Indians rode Andrew Miller. Trading for one of the most dominant relievers in the game was a no brainer for the Cubs.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Thank you.  This “well, they won so it worked” story is too-easily-accepted conventional wisdom.

Winning the World Series is literally why they play the game of baseball, so the winning of the world series really is the best justification for something working.

[southsider2k5]

47 minutes ago, Green Line said:

I'm excited that we are on the upswing.  The Sox social media (mainly Twitter) accounts are very annoying, however.  We haven't won shit yet.  They complain about not enough respect.  Win, and people will give us respect.

The same people who talk about us not getting any respect are the same ones who are hypercritical of every single move.

[Green Line]

45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The same people who talk about us not getting any respect are the same ones who are hypercritical of every single move.

Yeah, that is very true.

It was embarassing to see Danny Mendick whining about his name being spelled wrong on a graphic too.  I can't believe that blew up like it did.  The poor MLB graphics guy actually apoligized to him.  These guys are making hundreds of thousands of dollars... give me a break.  You'll be fine Danny.