Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Only one way to see if they accept it. Chicago White Sox says they accept it in a heartbeat. You say you doubt it.All depends on the other offers . Who else would offer a top 30ish prospect for a year & change of a 33 year old, overweight pitcher in the middle of a pandemic fueled season? I love Lynn but dude is getting to that point in his career where he could just fall off a cliff and that’s ignoring the obvious threat of “what if he contracts COVID” and were to miss an extended stretch of time. Trading Kopech is an all-in move that likely jeopardizes the most important years ahead of us. Our team is a year ahead of the curve, but we’re still not a finished product. We do NOT need to make a massive move this year if it costs us key long-term pieces. We can always roll with what we got and look to make moves during the 2020-21 offseason. That being said, if depth can be traded to improve our chances this year then I’m all for it, but Kopech should only be moved for a guy that can help at least both 2021 & 2022 in addition to this year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 im surprised people are willing to trade any of our top people for Lynn. He is 33. Dont get me wrong, he is good, but I would not trade any significant pieces for him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 9 hours ago, ptatc said: More than just a mild strain then. Any reason to be more concerned? If it continues does that suggest that there could be a more serious cause for why it happened in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Capital G said: im surprised people are willing to trade any of our top people for Lynn. He is 33. Dont get me wrong, he is good, but I would not trade any significant pieces for him. This is exactly where I'm at. Lynn's having a career year at 33. Good for him, but it might be a bit of smoke and mirrors. His FIP is pretty close to being in line with his career average (which is good, but not ace level) and that's nearly 2 full runs higher than his ERA right now. I just can't believe how little people are expecting in return for 6 years of Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, oneofthemikes said: This is exactly where I'm at. Lynn's having a career year at 33. Good for him, but it might be a bit of smoke and mirrors. His FIP is pretty close to being in line with his career average (which is good, but not ace level) and that's nearly 2 full runs higher than his ERA right now. I just can't believe how little people are expecting in return for 6 years of Kopech. Hard to call it a career year when he put up a 7 win season last year after adding / increasing the use of his cutter and leveraging analytics to improve his pitch sequencing. Also, FIP is not park adjusted and the Rangers’ park is incredibly favorable to hitters (hence the high fWAR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 ???????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 We are officially less than 80 hours from the trade deadline, which is Monday at 3pm CST. It’s going to be super interesting to see what Rick does in the next couple days. Bold prediction, but I don’t think Stiever is here come Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Only one way to see if they accept it. Chicago White Sox says they accept it in a heartbeat. You say you doubt it.All depends on the other offers . Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Any reason to be more concerned? If it continues does that suggest that there could be a more serious cause for why it happened in the first place? Yes. Just a cramp or mild strain doesn't take 2 weeks. Could still be just a strain but a more significant one. It doesn't mean it will impact his future but the longer it takes to "resolve" the longer it's going to take to get back into game readiness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Orlando said: I do not do the deal for both Stiever and Dunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Orlando said: ???????????????? This dude is a fucking idiot. First off, Cease is way more valuable than Kelley or Stiever and you could make a fair argument he’s more valuable than Madrigal (I know I would). Second, Kopech was the 2nd piece received in a package for a young, controlled-controlled, left-handed ace and has morphed into one of the game’s top pitching prospects. To think you’d get him plus another high-end asset for a year & change of Lynn is the definition of insanity. Who is the last pitcher that was traded that would be comparable to Lynn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Hard to call it a career year when he put up a 7 win season last year after adding / increasing the use of his cutter and leveraging analytics to improve his pitch sequencing. Also, FIP is not park adjusted and the Rangers’ park is incredibly favorable to hitters (hence the high fWAR). I was wondering about that, how has their new park played? Too early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I think I've have gotten to the point where I just want the deadline to pass without doing anything stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: I do not do the deal for both Stiever and Dunning. Why not? I'd do that. That's a fair deal for Lynn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, bmags said: I was wondering about that, how has their new park played? Too early? I think it’s probably too early to tell unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I see Bummers recovery as directly related to trade activity. If we don't believe he is able to come back strong for PO run, I'd be less inclined to push in all the chips for 2020 but I would still dangle Kopech to Texas. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, turnin' two said: I think I've have gotten to the point where I just want the deadline to pass without doing anything stupid. Same here. Giving up a boatload of prospects for Lynn is nuts. Get Dunning back on the roster, start him (if he is healthy, of course), and forget about Lance Lynn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 These trade props I see for Lynn (from both Sox AND Rangers fans' perspectives) are borderline ludicrous. I've never seen different fanbases value the same player so wildly differently. Rangers fans think they're getting some unlucky franchise's top 4 prospects, and I just hope it won't be us. I'll very interested to see what Texas finally gets for him and wait to see their fans' reactions ?☕ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Baron said: Why not? I'd do that. That's a fair deal for Lynn. I think Dunning by himself shows more return over the next few years. The Sox do not need to be in the sacrifice the future to win now mode. They've spent 4 years on this rebuild. Don't get impatient now. Edited August 28, 2020 by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: I think Dunning by himself shows more return over the next few years. The Sox do not need to be in the sacrifice the future to win now mode. They've spent 4 years on this rebuild. Don't get impatient now. Strong agree. I'd much rather stand pat than throw in big on a season that may or may not finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: I think Dunning by himself shows more return over the next few years. The Sox do not need to be in the sacrifice the future to win now mode. They've spent 4 years on this rebuild. Don't get impatient now. Completely agree. Dunning sure looked like he was about ready to contribute right now. Cease looks to be on the cusp of figuring stuff out. I don't understand why you'd trade either for a guy that was a pretty run of the mill pitcher until last season. I know he made some changes, but honestly I don't trust that Lance Lynn is one of the best 10ish starters in the game. And even if he is, he is in his mid 30's, and has 1 year on his contract. If the Sox are trading Dunning or Cease, much less both, then they have to be getting a long term stud in return. Because those guys could provide a heck of a lot of good innings over the next few seasons. Seriously, if anyone here had suggested trading 2 of the teams top 10ish prospects for a 33 year old pitcher over the winter... you'd have been tarred and feathered. And I know it is different now, with where the team is, stil though, why mortgage what we've been so patient building for a season that could be cancelled at any moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think it’s probably too early to tell unfortunately. Everything I’ve heard is that it plays huge, especially compared to the old park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Everything I’ve heard is that it plays huge, especially compared to the old park It plays huge with the roof closed. Closer to avg when the roof is open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I’m super scared we are going to make a KW go-for-it trade...even though historically the other team usually gets junk. I just like ALL Of our prospects 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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