CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said: Sorry I didn't understand your definition of "run producer" as a slugger. Of course that's true...but when Vaughan comes up we have about six guys that can hit 30 homers. Madrigal as a guy that gets on base at a .370 clip, steals 40 bases and plays gold glove second base...every day...seems more valuable than a short term shot at WS that is a bit of a gamble anyway. Those things seem very hopeful for Madrigal especially the stolen bases. Why wait on anyone when u can win now and next year ? The window is open .We are making the playoffs and maybe just a good SP pitcher away from a very serious shot to win it ALL this year. It's not a short shot at a World Series. Trading Madrigal and other non essential pieces for Lynn improves short term chances dramatically and doesnt do anything to hurt long term chances either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, fathom said: So far, Stone has said Lynn, Clevinger/Plesac, deGrom and Trevor Williams won’t happen. A few weeks ago he also said no to Stroman as a FA. Shock the world and trade for Bauer as a rental? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, aeichhor said: Thank you James exactly my point. Take you best shot at Lynn and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, aeichhor said: Wonder what lynn would cost. Would really like him as our third starter going forward for the next two years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Thank you James exactly my point. Take you best shot at Lynn and see what happens. I don't think anyone would disagree. However, are either of them attainable without trading top prospects? It's all about how much of the future they are willing to sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Thank you James exactly my point. Take you best shot at Lynn and see what happens. He’s saying not to trade top prospects like Madrigal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said: Wonder what lynn would cost. Would really like him as our third starter going forward for the next two years Lynn wouldn’t be our third starter, he’d arguably be our ace depending on which version of Giolito you’re getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Where you hearing this? I haven’t seen anything really on Bummer, but easily could have missed it. Just heard the injury hasn’t calmed down yet, which seems lengthier than they expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ptatc said: I don't think anyone would disagree. However, are either of them attainable without trading top prospects? It's all about how much of the future they are willing to sacrifice. The team is already very young but playing wining baseball. Madrigal and others represent a continued stream of success . But we have to weigh the future chances against current chances. Pitching wins championships especially when you already have a good but young BP and good hitting and lead the league in DRS. Keep as much pitching as you can and if have to deal some then choose among Lopez and guys who are further away. Keep Cease and Dunning. WE will need them after 2021 when Lynn is gone with hopefully a World Series ring already on their fingers. Edited August 28, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s saying not to trade top prospects like Madrigal though. James doesnt expect to get Lynn free I'm sure You cant want Lynn and expect to give up nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I don’t think Bauer is going to be available unfortunately. They’re a few innings away from picking up two games on the Cardinals today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I might be wrong but I'd be surprised if there was a strong market for Madrigal. I can't see him headlining a package for a top tier starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Flash said: I might be wrong but I'd be surprised if there was a strong market for Madrigal. I can't see him headlining a package for a top tier starting pitcher. Yeah I'm hoping he is though to Texas Call him a co headliner depending on a 2nd piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of Vaughn being almost ready was a sly thing to prop him up for the trade deadline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yeah I'm hoping he is though to Texas Call him a co headliner depending on a 2nd piece. Maybe Madrigal and Kopech for Lynn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Flash said: I might be wrong but I'd be surprised if there was a strong market for Madrigal. I can't see him headlining a package for a top tier starting pitcher. 13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yeah I'm hoping he is though to Texas Call him a co headliner depending on a 2nd piece. I think other GMs would feel the way you do Cali. 2nd base isn't particularly hard to fill. Madrigal doesn't have a very high ceiling due to his complete lack of power and his lack of elite speed. I don't think his value is all that high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Flash said: Maybe Madrigal and Kopech for Lynn? That would be a good offer. By that I mean half the board would hate it. 25% would love it and 25% would think it was fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Flash said: Maybe Madrigal and Kopech for Lynn? No thanks. Not including Kopech in a deal for Lynn. Edited August 28, 2020 by Yearnin' for Yermin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That would be a good offer. By that I mean half the board would hate it. 25% would love it and 25% would think it was fair. Can we find out the 25% that would love it so I immediately add them to my ignore list? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: Can we find out the 25% that would love it so I immediately add them to my ignore list? Ok I'll put you down as one of the 50 % who would hate it until we win this year or next years World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Can we find out the 25% that would love it so I immediately add them to my ignore list? ✋ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Ok I'll put you down as one of the 50 % who would hate it until we win this year or next years World Series. I'm all for trading for Lynn...but to give up Kopech and Madrigal you better be getting DeGrom 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of Vaughn being almost ready was a sly thing to prop him up for the trade deadline. Thought the same thing. Also seemed like the Dunning start was a showcase to the league before the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: I'm all for trading for Lynn...but to give up Kopech and Madrigal you better be getting DeGrom Gotta give to get and we'd still have Cease Dunning , Lopez, Stiever, Thompson and Dahlquist and more importantly 2 great chances to win this year and next year and no need to pay big bucks for a starter if Kopech isnt ready again . Value World Series dont over value Kopechs perceived instant ability to contribute after 2 years off Edited August 28, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, fathom said: Just heard the injury hasn’t calmed down yet, which seems lengthier than they expected More than just a mild strain then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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