greg775 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If we're being honest with ourselves the Sox have zero SP that I'd be comfortable with in the playoffs. Giolito's command fails him in the first inning and when he has an adrenaline surge. Keuchel doesn't miss enough bats. I saw what happened to Keuchel when he was with the Braves last October and it's why I was against signing him. Devil's advocate here: Giolito has shown on a given night he can be DOMINANT (no hitter). Keuchel looks like Buehrle, he just does. He looks capable of being very reliable in the playoffs. And Cease has the stuff to get hot when it matters. Finally maybe Gonzalez could end his career on a high note and give u five solid innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Gio Gonzalez would make the start as he hasn’t pitched the 22nd. Forgot about Gio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: Lance Lynn didn’t pitch well tonight. I would take a pass on him. Especially if Dunning has a good outing tomorrow and with what Texas is asking for in return. You’d pass on Lynn because he gave up 3 runs against the best team in baseball? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If we're being honest with ourselves the Sox have zero SP that I'd be comfortable with in the playoffs. Giolito's command fails him in the first inning and when he has an adrenaline surge. Keuchel doesn't miss enough bats. I saw what happened to Keuchel when he was with the Braves last October and it's why I was against signing him. Jack, you have had some of the worst takes I've ever read in the past few days. Keuchel has thrown 59 career post-season innings; he has a 3.47 ERA which is actually LOWER than his career ERA. So your theory that he just can't succeed in the playoffs only makes sense if you ignore the actual 60 INNINGS he's thrown. GIolito has been one of the 10 best starters in baseball in the last 1 + year, and amazingly enough they play with the same ball and rules in the playoffs! It's almost like being able to control your emotions to throw something like a no-hitter. These are just so terrible. Edited August 30, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Baron said: Oh you were serious with that comment. After I read all those posts and articles from insiders talking about how all these teams are jumping in on Lynn, it was obviously exciting to see at first but after hearing about his performance and looking at his age and comparing his whole body of work compared to other players that can get us over the top, I was thinking to myself well yes he’s good and his services are in high demand, but obviously the cost or the asking price is going to be high so do we really want to go after him at that cost when we can find someone better that will take us to the top. Edited August 30, 2020 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If we're being honest with ourselves the Sox have zero SP that I'd be comfortable with in the playoffs. Giolito's command fails him in the first inning and when he has an adrenaline surge. Keuchel doesn't miss enough bats. I saw what happened to Keuchel when he was with the Braves last October and it's why I was against signing him. Fangraphs has Gio tied for 5th in projected WAR for the rest of this season. Aside from Gerrit Cole & Bieber, there's no healthy pitcher I think you can argue is *clearly* a better option Giolito. If the Sox can't feel comfortable with him in a playoff game, okay, but that means only 2 AL teams have *any* pitchers they can feel good about then too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: You don't even like Collins and probably not Adolfo either and you also said Dunning 's a 5th starter on contender. Seems a peculiar thing you just said I like Stiever (who was the third, not Collins) and Adolfo has more potential than any of the other outfielders in the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, TomPickle said: A lot of people here looking to fly the KEPT THE WINDOW OPEN banner As opposed to flying a World Champs banner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, maloney.adam said: After I read all those posts and articles from insiders talking about how all these teams are jumping in on Lynn, it was obviously exciting to see at first but after hearing about his performance and looking at his age and comparing his whole body of work compared to other players that can get us over the top, I was thinking to myself well yes his services are in high demand so the cost or the asking price is going to be high but do we really want to go after him at that cost when we can find someone better that will take us to the top. If your using his performance tonight against him....I can't help you. Who's better right now that's available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: Fangraphs has Gio tied for 5th in projected WAR for the rest of this season. Aside from Gerrit Cole & Bieber, there's no healthy pitcher I think you can argue is *clearly* a better option Giolito. If the Sox can't feel comfortable with him in a playoff game, okay, but that means only 2 AL teams have *any* pitchers they can feel good about then too. Jack thinks you need an experienced veteran to succeed in the playoffs, but not an experienced veteran like Keuchel because those kind sucks. If you don't have Gerrit Cole, you might as well just not show up apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, fathom said: I like Stiever (who was the third, not Collins) and Adolfo has more potential than any of the other outfielders in the system. I think some, including myself, thought you were saying the proposed Dunning, Collins and Adolfo trade a poster had spoken on was what your issue was with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Houston used a 4th starter once last post season. How often does that happen? And didn't they have Cole, Verlander, and Grienke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just for kicks because some people seem to think 2019 with Cole/Scherzer/Verlander/Stras is the norm. In 2018, of starters who made at least 3 starts in the post-season the lowest ERA's were as follows: 1. Wade Miley (1.23) 2. Jouhlys Chacin (1.46) 3. Rich Hill (2.16) Enough of the only elite electric arms win games in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: How often does that happen? And didn't they have Cole, Verlander, and Grienke? Yeah, and Giolito, Lynn and Keuchel is not that much worse at this point in time. They are absolutely worse, but they are capable of pitching to that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Well I think we've hashed out some good arguments today guys. Out of it for today. Hopefully there's some movement tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: No, we don't. I just don't think now is the time to make a move. At this point I'd rather throw money at SP this winter where there will be bargains to be had. Hopefully Jerry is on the same page. The only page Jerry is on is the we're losing money and slash payroll page. You're the one who had the Scrooge McDuck moniker for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I am really torn on this. I do think that the time could be right to take a real run at things but I am not sure any of the names that seem available are the guy to put us over the top. I think to have a chance both this year and next we need a true TOR starter and I don't really see one available. Lynn look pretty good but I am not sure if he is enough. Ray shouldn't even be looked at. Bundy seems to have emerged but is it for real? deGrom seems to be the only real difference maker to me and I doubt he is available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 For those that care Bundy is pitching tonight vs the mariners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: The only page Jerry is on is the we're losing money and slash payroll page. You're the one who had the Scrooge McDuck moniker for him. If there's any thought that he might want to stand pat or slash payroll Hahn shouldn't be trading prospects. Jerry will spend when the team is contending under normal circumstances. He'd rather spread $300M over 4-5 guys over the actual window than on one guy over a decade. He proved that in the 2000s. Edited August 30, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 https://www.mlb.com/news/trade-deadline-options-for-angels Last thing before I go to bed. Morosi mentions the Angels may try for 1 top pitching prospect for Bundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: If there's any thought that he might want to stand pat or slash payroll Hahn shouldn't be trading prospects. The Sox (seemingly) being aggressive at the deadline gives me confidence that Reinsdorf won't be looking to slash payroll like our worst fears would lead us to believe. But perhaps that is just wishful thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you do trade Stiever and Dunning for Lynn, I really hope it’s with the plan in mind to add starting pitching this offseason (along with RF). I’ve seen worse rotations that Giolito, Lynn, Stroman, Keuchel and Kopech/Cease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: For those that care Bundy is pitching tonight vs the mariners Topping out at 88 in the 5th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Baron said: An extension? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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