Why would Colas and/or Y.Cespedes sign anywhere else?

[caulfield12]

We're in a great position now.   Leading the world in homers.   Dynamic offense, and that's without Grandal/EE/Mazara providing much at all.

No need for "desperation" 2016 style moves.

It's quite simple.   There's no need to add a RF or 2B, we can make it to the offseason.   Then look at adding Springer (only one year), Reddick (same), Pederson (same) or even moving some minor league depth to the Royals for Jorge Soler.  There's something like 10-12 options.    No 3+ year contracts at this point, especially as we're still determining how much of the Astros' success was legit and how much "self-inflicted."

Then, Colas and Cespedes will have exprerienced one full season (2021) to get ready.

Weigh what to do with Colome (he gone), Mazara (50/50?), Engel (he's back as 4/5, PR), Leury (75%), McCann (50%?), Fry (25-33%?), Rodon (completely dependent on how well he pitches down stretch and in a relief role for the post-season.)   Lopez, finally, is another interesting situation to see what and WHERE he is used moving forward, or whether they're ready to pull the plug,.  With an electric arm (when healthy) like that, no way do you cut bait yet.   Rodon, you're definitely leaning in that direction and waiting for him to FINALLY prove the doubters wrong for once.

Focus between now and April, 2021 is all about starting pitching.  It's all about the pitchers.   We can't COUNT on Kopech, so let's get that through our heads.

If it is a pitcher this year, it's a 3-4 veteran type like Gausman.   Lynn will likely be too expensive for our tastes.  Minor is trending in the wrong direction.   Bundy?   Once again, there's about 10-12 legit names out there beyond Bauer/Stroman in the offseason.

 

We've got some interesting battles (or let's call them storylines) setting up nicely.   Mazara/Engel vs. ??? for RF.   McCann and Grandal.    Jimenez pretty much has to stay in LF, with Vaughn slotting in at DH/1B, alternating with Abreu and then Grandal/other catcher?

We can take the excess pieces, starting with Z. Collins and some of the lower minors pitchers (Stiever/Thompson/Dahlquist...or eventually Crochet and Kelley) to make a deal that won't "break the bank" and sacrifice any members of the future core. 

This also gives one more opportunity for Lu-Gone, Adolfo and Rutherford to get their act in gear for 2021.   And Adolfo's had more and more time to rehab that injury of his from a defensive standpoint, as ARM is his #1 tool for the moment.   And time for Madrigal to EARN the 2B position now, not just be presented or gifted with it.

 

Not even Rick Hahn could easily screw this one up right now...unless he overspends on an outside the organization closer, but that's highly unlikely right now.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Okay, expecting someone to say &$$MONEY$$$.

Colas already seems locked in, without an official/formal announcement coming until a designed time.

Who are the current Top 3-5 teams in on Cespedes?    What's he likely to be asking for, and does anyone know our current "leftover funds" for intl signings...and what's the cutoff date for when a deal has to be done for this year, before we move into into the next signing period.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

38 different players names if I didn't double count anything.

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

38 different players names if I didn't double count anything.

The only names that REALLY matter are Colas and Cespedes, and whether or not ONE or the OTHER (just two names) is willing to come.

Will Colas signing first on the dotted line discourage Cepedes, or make him even more determined to join forces and play alongside Lu-Bob?

And then the 10-12 names that are going to be "stopgaps" for RF in the 2021 season....including our our three internal minor leaguer candidates fighting it out for an opportunity, alongside Mazara/Engel.

Edited August 26, 2020 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

38 different players names if I didn't double count anything.

Too bad I don't get paid by the baseball-related name like I do when I receive X number of cents per word when I do essay editing/revising, lol....I should at least get a thumb's up for taking down Obama avatar and replacing with a shiny, brand-new Lucas Giolito one.

Edited August 26, 2020 by caulfield12

[SoCalChiSox]

I would get Pederson on a 1 year deal if possible and let him compete with Rutherford and Gonzalez. We need a proven LHH with power and OBP (besides Moncada and Grandal). If you look at his XSLG and XWOBA its actually pretty solid even though he has struggled. 

Ditch EE, Cishek, Gonzalez which will shave close to 20m off next years payroll. If Bauer wants 1 year deals we can easily do that.

[Jerksticks]

This is terrible call field.  You didn’t even mention the guys in the topic but once?  You should have titled this “Name Vomit”

[Jose Abreu]

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

38 different players names if I didn't double count anything.

And, amazingly, 0 Padres references within those 38. Very impressive

[pcq]

The owners want to know if when there will be fans. Caution is the word. 

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

This might be a dumb question, but could Cespedes be the Sox starting right fielder in 2021 if they signed him? Or would he need time in the minors? He’ll be 23 years old by Opening Day 2021 so he’s pretty much the same age as Robert.

[joejoesox]

what about that young Cuban pitcher?

[soxfan49]

27 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

what about that young Cuban pitcher?

Just what this thread needs- another name 

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

The only names that REALLY matter are Colas and Cespedes, and whether or not ONE or the OTHER (just two names) is willing to come.

Will Colas signing first on the dotted line discourage Cepedes, or make him even more determined to join forces and play alongside Lu-Bob?

And then the 10-12 names that are going to be "stopgaps" for RF in the 2021 season....including our our three internal minor leaguer candidates fighting it out for an opportunity, alongside Mazara/Engel.

Why is Colas signing first?  I thought last we heard he still had some ties to Japan.  IMO, Cespedes is the more likely signing and makes way more sense for our roster.

[Two-Gun Pete]

Love the idea of Cespedes or Colas or both.

Love the idea of a stopgap RFer, and Mazara in Charlotte next year in the Delmonico role. (AAAA type serving as corner OF depth, while waiting to be packaged as part of a deal for something else.)

 

That said, why, exactly, would a 28 year old Pederson want to sign a 1 year deal this offseason? Wouldn't he want to cash in on FA, at the peak of his value? OTOH, if the market will be suppressed, and he'd want to sign a 1 year deal, why wouldn't he just stay in LA?

[Bob Sacamano]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

38 different players names if I didn't double count anything.

Gotta be a new record.

[caulfield12]

54 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Love the idea of Cespedes or Colas or both.

Love the idea of a stopgap RFer, and Mazara in Charlotte next year in the Delmonico role. (AAAA type serving as corner OF depth, while waiting to be packaged as part of a deal for something else.)

 

That said, why, exactly, would a 28 year old Pederson want to sign a 1 year deal this offseason? Wouldn't he want to cash in on FA, at the peak of his value? OTOH, if the market will be suppressed, and he'd want to sign a 1 year deal, why wouldn't he just stay in LA?

Pederson has started out disastrously.

We don't how much uncertainty over 2021 (fans or not) and the results of THIS 60+ game season will impact the FA market, not yet.

Pederson's getting increasingly expensive, and the Dodgers can't afford to keep giving out $10-15 million contracts for every single platoon player on their roster.

 

And it's not like Springer has been lighting the world on fire, either.   (Reddick would be the other Astros' play.)

[caulfield12]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/cuban-prospect-oscar-colas-seeking-release-from-contract-with-japanese-team/ar-BB15j1lN

[caulfield12]

Perhaps due to roster depth in Granma and with the Cuban National Team Yoelqui has predominantly played right field and definitely has the throwing arm for it as seen by his arm tool grading out at 60/80 vs his overall defensive rating at 55/80. His value is likely higher if he can illustrate the ability to play CF but more likely RF is his natural position with the versatility to fill in in center if need be.

As mentioned he is the half brother of Yoenis who is likely one of the purest power hitters to ever come out of Cuba. Yoelqui has reportedly spent most of 2020 working out in the Bahamas with his brother and adding muscle to what otherwise is a short but stalky/fit frame and resembling more of Yoenis hitting mechanics, however to expect him to be the home run hitter his older brother is likely isn’t realistic or fair. His power rating does grade out at a well above average 55/80 and is expected to improve as he ages and strengthens.

 

 

https://medium.com/@philselig/getting-to-know-yo-elqui-efa180009c50

[caulfield12]

53 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

Gotta be a new record.

Not even CLOSE...

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Love the idea of Cespedes or Colas or both.

Love the idea of a stopgap RFer, and Mazara in Charlotte next year in the Delmonico role. (AAAA type serving as corner OF depth, while waiting to be packaged as part of a deal for something else.)

 

That said, why, exactly, would a 28 year old Pederson want to sign a 1 year deal this offseason? Wouldn't he want to cash in on FA, at the peak of his value? OTOH, if the market will be suppressed, and he'd want to sign a 1 year deal, why wouldn't he just stay in LA?

Mazara is either platoon RF in Chicago or off the roster entirely.  He definitely won't be in Charlotte, stowed away.

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Love the idea of Cespedes or Colas or both.

Love the idea of a stopgap RFer, and Mazara in Charlotte next year in the Delmonico role. (AAAA type serving as corner OF depth, while waiting to be packaged as part of a deal for something else.)

 

That said, why, exactly, would a 28 year old Pederson want to sign a 1 year deal this offseason? Wouldn't he want to cash in on FA, at the peak of his value? OTOH, if the market will be suppressed, and he'd want to sign a 1 year deal, why wouldn't he just stay in LA?

Because LA may not want him any longer (hence them almost trading him to the Angels this past offseason).  As for Joc, dude is having a tough year and may be willing to consider a pillow contract rather than settle for what could be a reduced multi-year deal.  Playing for an explosive offense in a HR friendly park might be attractive to him if he wants to wait a year for a better market and a new CBA to be in place.

[Leonard Zelig]

1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said:

Gotta be a new record.

There really needs to be some kind of quantifier to put it into perspective, like names per inch (NPI), or names per word (NPW).  I don't know, I will leave it to the sabes to determine the most efficient metric to measure the CI (Caulfield Index).

[CeaseAndExist]

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The only names that REALLY matter are Colas and Cespedes, and whether or not ONE or the OTHER (just two names) is willing to come.

Will Colas signing first on the dotted line discourage Cepedes, or make him even more determined to join forces and play alongside Lu-Bob?

And then the 10-12 names that are going to be "stopgaps" for RF in the 2021 season....including our our three internal minor leaguer candidates fighting it out for an opportunity, alongside Mazara/Engel.

Neither Colas nor Cespedes is some sort of surefire future MLB player.

Colas especially seems to be considered the equivalent of a 2nd rd MLB pick. Good prospect and obviously much further along than a typical int signing but not a guy you can just assume will take over a future starting spot.

Fangraphs says Colas is a FV 35. So he'd rank as a borderline top 40 prospect in our organization alone. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/eric-longenhagen-chat-2-21-20/.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Leonard Zelig said:

There really needs to be some kind of quantifier to put it into perspective, like names per inch (NPI), or names per word (NPW).  I don't know, I will leave it to the sabes to determine the most efficient metric to measure the CI (Caulfield Index).

Putting anti-Greg775's in charge?

[Y2Jimmy0]

I doubt the White Sox can sign both players. Yoelqui Cespedes is free to sign right now. Oscar Colas hasn't been cleared. The 2020 signing period that was supposed to take place on J2 has been pushed back to January 15th of 2021. The White Sox have a deal with Cuban RHP Norge Vera for $1.5 million and they have agreements with 6 others for $1.8 million total. I wrote about them here: https://www.futuresox.com/2020/02/18/the-white-sox-are-eyeing-cuban-prospects-in-international-marketplace/

The White Sox have roughly $5.5 million total to spend and there are no trades for next two periods. The White Sox have just over $2 million to spend. One of Cespedes or Colas would likely sign for that amount but I really doubt they could get both. Moving the signing period really messed them up if the intention was to sign both players.