Quin Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: He'd literally be our best pitcher.. By a good marchin at that.. This season, he'd be our #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Giolito has 6.6 fWAR in his last 220 innings pitched as a 26 yr old and he's not a 1 and won't become one... it's an interesting proclamation to say the least. That's 7th highest in baseball in the past 1 yr + 1 month. White Sox fans underrating of Giolito is just odd. Maybe it's because he was so bad for that period of time. I think so. I’m over that crap but I can see how some are t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Giolito has 6.6 fWAR in his last 220 innings pitched as a 26 yr old and he's not a 1 and won't become one... it's an interesting proclamation to say the least. That's 7th highest in baseball in the past 1 yr + 1 month. White Sox fans underrating of Giolito is just odd. Maybe it's because he was so bad for that period of time. I think his yet to be found 3rd pitch and command may prevent him from being the very top tier of pitchers, but I also don't get upset at anyones notion that a White Sox player is not the very best in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, bmags said: I know, I actually fell into the trap I dislike. Their core is so strong they've been right in it. But they definitely hit that maxed payroll/tapped farm that I think scares a lot of sox fans most after seeing the post WS team struggle to get over the hump. It also died because nothing came along to refresh it as guys fell off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, BrianAnderson said: Clevinger is a top 10 pitcher. Giolito has the makings and ability to be there too. Give me 10 slots, pitchers for the rest of the year + next year (assuming health is all there). So basically who would i want to run out there, healthy for next 40 starts. 1- DeGrom 2- Cole 3 - Bieber 4 - S. Gray - controversial in the sense where his stuff may not blow you away, but results are nonstop. 5 - Verlander (assuming health think he still has the stuff) 6- Scherzer 7 - Buehler 8 - Darvish - he's like Bauer, but so locked in. 9 - Clevinger 10 - Bauer (tough guy to place. when on and locked in he's top 5. other times he's top 50. very up and down, but has to make the list) Giolito is in that next tier with Glasnow, Paddack, Flaherty, Snell, Lynn, Kershaw, Gallen, Nola. Clevinger and Bauer are no where near top 10 pitchers. JFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I'll repost again for a new page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Woodruff is the right choice, but why would MIL get rid of him, and why would we massively overpay... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, bmags said: I think his yet to be found 3rd pitch and command may prevent him from being the very top tier of pitchers, but I also don't get upset at anyones notion that a White Sox player is not the very best in the league. Just because someone disagrees with your assessment doesn't make them upset. He's been a top 6 pitcher as a 26 year old the past year +. He has shown an ability to improve and evolve - which is a sign of a star in baseball. So to me, I don't really understand the claim that he's a #2 or #3 when all he's done for the past year is perform as a #1. I guess if you expect regression, but he's actually gotten better over the past 18 months so not sure why he'd regress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Baron said: I'll repost again for a new page Completely fine with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Baron said: I'll repost again for a new page They're going all in. Not worried about how their team will look in 2024. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Baron said: And trading Dunning means we're ruined it. It wouldn't JUST be Dunning. These talks have centered around 4:1 deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Capn12 said: Woodruff is the right choice, but why would MIL get rid of him, and why would we massively overpay... Yeah it doesn't really make sense from the Brewers standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Clevinger and Bauer are no where near top 10 pitchers. JFC okay, a list i made, in my opinion is wrong. cool. but don't add any value to the convo, just say jesus fucking christ to it in all caps. don't make your own list, don't say why they aren't top 10, just add a useless comment on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Well hopefully the Padres paid up in a way, then again, I don't want to see these guys in Cleveland until their next rebuild either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Clevinger is a top 10 pitcher. Giolito has the makings and ability to be there too. Give me 10 slots, pitchers for the rest of the year + next year (assuming health is all there). So basically who would i want to run out there, healthy for next 40 starts. 1- DeGrom 2- Cole 3 - Bieber 4 - S. Gray - controversial in the sense where his stuff may not blow you away, but results are nonstop. 5 - Verlander (assuming health think he still has the stuff) 6- Scherzer 7 - Buehler 8 - Darvish - he's like Bauer, but so locked in. 9 - Clevinger 10 - Bauer (tough guy to place. when on and locked in he's top 5. other times he's top 50. very up and down, but has to make the list) Giolito is in that next tier with Glasnow, Paddack, Flaherty, Snell, Lynn, Kershaw, Gallen, Nola. Sonny Gray (and really most of these guys) being ahead of Kershaw. Wow. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kershcl01.shtml Don't know if people have realized this, but he is pitching like prime Kershaw again this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Good. Didn’t want to be a party pooper, but I’m glad Clevinger isn’t on the White Sox. And I’m glad he’s in the other league too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, southsider2k5 said: It wouldn't JUST be Dunning. These talks have centered around 4:1 deal I wasn't talking about the deal to Cleveland. Look back in the Lance Lynn thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Well hopefully the Padres paid up in a way, then again, I don't want to see these guys in Cleveland until their next rebuild either. Going to be really upset if the Indians landed Gore in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said: They're going all in. Not worried about how their team will look in 2024. Nice Their farm is deep. Someone posted a tweet yesterday of how their farm still looked (post-other trades) and it was still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Obviously that finished trade from last night was nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Going to be really upset if the Indians landed Gore in this deal. yup, thats really the only thing that worries me about this trade. trade a current stud for a future stud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, BrianAnderson said: okay, a list i made, in my opinion is wrong. cool. but don't add any value to the convo, just say jesus fucking christ to it in all caps. don't make your own list, don't say why they aren't top 10, just add a useless comment on. Between the both of them, they've had one career season in the top 10 in WAR as a pitcher. It's not the only metric that exists, but neither are in that category. Today? The top 10 IMO (in no order) Degrom, Darvish, Giolito, Scherzer, Cole, Greinke, Flaherty, Buehler, Bieber, Verlander (when healthy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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almagest Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Some more confirmation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Baron said: QUantrill will turn into a star with their pitching development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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