bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: What are you talking about? So the White Sox wouldn't have been better adding a league average hitter compared to Adam Engel last year? Aren't you always one of the big fans of "average" is fine and you rip the Sox for throwing out sub-replacement level players. Well Naylor is average. League average is much better than a .473 OPS. So by definition, the offense is better. You get so upset if one of your points is questioned. It cracks me up. The Indians just traded the best player rumored on the block for major league talent and their horrible offense is only improved by adding a league average wrc+ into the outfield, so yeah, I'm not walking away thinking that the Indians offense improved any more than those OPS numbers are likely to regress to something better than .400 and .500s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Quantity over Quality? SD didn't give up any of their top studs. This actually helps Hahn's case today to land someone without adding Kopech or Vaughn. Kind of what I thought as well. Any thought that Jon Daniels had that he could get Kopech or Vaughn for Lance Lynn probably just went up in smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: My prediction is that there will be no dominoes for the our White Sox. They will stand pat. Maybe Hahn will get a minor piece but not much more than that. My problem with the White Sox not making moves at the deadline is that I trust them to improve through trades much more than through free agent signings. I don't have a problem with making no trades today in a vacuum, but they have to try to further improve in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: The Indians just traded the best player rumored on the block for major league talent and their horrible offense is only improved by adding a league average wrc+ into the outfield, so yeah, I'm not walking away thinking that the Indians offense improved any more than those OPS numbers are likely to regress to something better than .400 and .500s. Meh, I dunno if Naylor is any good, but based on his fangraphs page, he'd be a MAJOR upgrade over Mazara if the SOX had acquired him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: The Indians just traded the best player rumored on the block for major league talent and their horrible offense is only improved by adding a league average wrc+ into the outfield, so yeah, I'm not walking away thinking that the Indians offense improved any more than those OPS numbers are likely to regress to something better than .400 and .500s. cool, that's not what you said nor is it what i responded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Not really criticizing, not really. Just my opinion going back. I don't understand how the best starting pitcher since Pedro, who is pitching like an absolute beast isn't top 10 worthy. In my opinion he is number 1. Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, deGrom,Cole, Beiber, Flaherty, Buehler... Then it gets squishier where you could put a whole bunch of guys, maybe even Gray. I can see the argument. This time last year, I'd have Kluber or Sale there, but the injuries have bumped them both. Bauer was completely terrible last year, though when he is locked in he is great, but you can say that about a bunch of guys. I think I'd have to put Greinke in there, then you could go with any number of guys at 10. And again, sorry, I didn't mean to come off like a jerk. my apologies as well. i get your angle on kershaw for sure. Bauer and Gray are probably the most iffy on my list. I forget about Sale! geez, given health he'd have to be in consideration for sure too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Yeah this just doesn't seem like a good trade for the Indians to me. Quantity over quality is definitely what occurred. They improved the MLB team's offense a bit but I'm surprised they couldn't do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I still think Heuer and Collins will be moved in a deal. Maybe not what we were all hoping/expecting, but something will get done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Kind of what I thought as well. Any thought that Jon Daniels had that he could get Kopech or Vaughn for Lance Lynn probably just went up in smoke. Yeah, this probably signals they weren't on the table for Clevinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) What would be a fair deal for Gausman (29, free agent after this year) or Bundy (27, free agent after 2021 so same control as Lynn but not as successful in recent years)? Edited August 31, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HakunaMachado Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Lynnsanity? Woodruff wish? What is next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, HakunaMachado said: Lynnsanity? Woodruff wish? What is next? The Gausman Gambit. The Bundy Blunder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: What would be a fair deal for Gausman (29, free agent after this year) or Bundy (27, free agent after 2021 so same control as Lynn but not as successful in recent years)? Especially this year, where it's for essentially 4 starts for Gausman and such a limited SS for bundy, I have zero idea. Would not want to be the person figuring it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Especially this year, where it's for essentially 4 starts for Gausman and such a limited SS for bundy, I have zero idea. Would not want to be the person figuring it out. 4 starts plus playoffs but I hear ya. It's tough to gauge. Lynn is better than Bundy but also 6 years older. Would it currently be ranked Lynn, Bundy, Gausman in order of the price of players? Edited August 31, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bmags said: Especially this year, where it's for essentially 4 starts for Gausman and such a limited SS for bundy, I have zero idea. Would not want to be the person figuring it out. plus, gausman is just a league average starter so he's not an upgrade over anyone. all jokes aside, his stuff and k/bb numbers are really promising and maybe he's finally getting to what people thought he'd become. Edited August 31, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: plus, gausman is just a league average starter so he's not an upgrade over anyone. I would kill for a world where this is true. The Sox currently have 3 league average or better starters. I guess 4 if they are done jerking around Dunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, TomPickle said: I would kill for a world where this is true. The Sox currently have 3 league average or better starters. I guess 4 if they are done jerking around Dunning. Yeah I don't know if I'd consider Reylo league average right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: plus, gausman is just a league average starter so he's not an upgrade over anyone. I'm sure the twins would be shaking in their boots after the sox were rumored in on Lynn and Clevinger and swung a deal for Gausman to replace their 5th starter and all their very interesting fans would be saying "well actually he is an improvement over Reynaldo Lopez" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, TomPickle said: I would kill for a world where this is true. The Sox currently have 3 league average or better starters. I guess 4 if they are done jerking around Dunning. i was just messing with bmags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiHawks10 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, chw42 said: Yeah I don't know if I'd consider Reylo league average right now. I'm assuming Giolito, Keuchel, Cease, and then Dunning would be #4 in his post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: What would be a fair deal for Gausman (29, free agent after this year) or Bundy (27, free agent after 2021 so same control as Lynn but not as successful in recent years)? 4-5 starts of Gausman could not be all that costly I would be willing to bet He helps stabilize the rotation down the stretch and we do not part with anything we will miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Starting to think we will stand pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Hopefully nothing happens while I go grab lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The thing with Gausman is that the Giants are still in contention. I'm not sure they'd even be willing to trade him for scraps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Soxnfins said: Starting to think we will stand pat. Same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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