Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Now I know stealing isn't always the smartest thing.. But I saw that we are 27th TWENTY-SEVENTH in the league in stolen bases.. We likely have a top 5 speed team in the league. How is this possible? Have we decided to not let them steal? Robert has only 4 but could get 40 easily. Moncada used to steal 30 in the minors, Anderson, Engle, etc.. Any insight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Now I know stealing isn't always the smartest thing.. But I saw that we are 27th TWENTY-SEVENTH in the league in stolen bases.. We likely have a top 5 speed team in the league. How is this possible? Have we decided to not let them steal? Robert has only 4 but could get 40 easily. Moncada used to steal 30 in the minors, Anderson, Engle, etc.. Any insight? Moncada will not be stealing this year with his leg issues but other than that, I do not know why we are not stealing more. Could be with all the home runs we are employing the old Earl Weaver offense of waiting for the 3 run homer...or 4 solo shots in a row like the Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Now I know stealing isn't always the smartest thing.. But I saw that we are 27th TWENTY-SEVENTH in the league in stolen bases.. We likely have a top 5 speed team in the league. How is this possible? Have we decided to not let them steal? Robert has only 4 but could get 40 easily. Moncada used to steal 30 in the minors, Anderson, Engle, etc.. Any insight? Ricky doesn't like stealing bags 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I know a lot of people think Ricky is a bafoon, but what if (now stick with me here) he was trying to generate runs when he had a team full of awful hitters, and now that he has a team full of guys who kill the ball, he let's them play for the big inning. Crazy, right? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Also, if anyone is wondering about our next manager, Jirschele's 2019 Intimidators stole 93 bags in 133 games. Caught 49 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Also Robert gets hurt on the basepaths often...just not worth it injury wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The way this team hits, don't run into outs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Now I know stealing isn't always the smartest thing.. But I saw that we are 27th TWENTY-SEVENTH in the league in stolen bases.. We likely have a top 5 speed team in the league. How is this possible? Have we decided to not let them steal? Robert has only 4 but could get 40 easily. Moncada used to steal 30 in the minors, Anderson, Engle, etc.. Any insight? Who cares? Seriously, after one game you had to make a thread, this isn't a playoff team period. Your punching bag is an MVP candidate. The team is in first place and you are complaining about not stealing bases? Just remember, Robert got hurt in spring training a couple of years ago stealing a base, and it wasn't a headfirst slide many claim. Do you not think the team is scoring enough runs? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I can do without stealing bases. Moncada is fast but he's too injury prone and Luis Robert and TA are too valuable to risk it. Let Yolmer, Madrigal and Dyson steal if you must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Players like TA, Engel, and Madrigal often get on base with the top of the lineup coming up, which means stealing usually reduces your amount of expected runs. When batting 5/6, Robert is the one guy you might want to see steal more (especially as the bottom of our lineup has come back to earth a bit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I may be wrong on the exact percentage, but I believe analytics show you need to be successful at about 75-80% rate to make stealing worthwhile. More importantly is going first to third, scoring from second on a single, scoring from first on a double and beating double plays by hustling. So far I would say we have done that pretty well. When the offense is clicking, it isn't worth the out or as some point out the injury risk. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Pointless. This group mashes well enough. No need to give away free outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Who cares? Seriously, after one game you had to make a thread, this isn't a playoff team period. Your punching bag is an MVP candidate. The team is in first place and you are complaining about not stealing bases? Just remember, Robert got hurt in spring training a couple of years ago stealing a base, and it wasn't a headfirst slide many claim. Do you not think the team is scoring enough runs? WTF are you even talking about.... How on earth is this not a playoff team? I am not complaining, I am asking and generating discussion that you have provided nothing but dumb shit to. I am talking the season as a whole, not one game.. I am using Robert as an example because he could be one of the highest base stealers in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Our Sox may be heroic and adorable but they get injured when they have to slide. They should avoid stealing and just hit homers without touching the bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Now I know stealing isn't always the smartest thing.. But I saw that we are 27th TWENTY-SEVENTH in the league in stolen bases.. We likely have a top 5 speed team in the league. How is this possible? Have we decided to not let them steal? Robert has only 4 but could get 40 easily. Moncada used to steal 30 in the minors, Anderson, Engle, etc.. Any insight? SABRmetrics. Unless you are confident the steal rate will be 85%, it is not worth it to risk the out. I happen to disagree but this is why stealing bases is frowned upon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I know a lot of people think Ricky is a bafoon, but what if (now stick with me here) he was trying to generate runs when he had a team full of awful hitters, and now that he has a team full of guys who kill the ball, he let's them play for the big inning. Crazy, right? They have yet to lay down a sac bunt, as some have predicted for years. Edited September 1, 2020 by mqr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Quin said: Ricky doesn't like stealing bags Absolutely nothing to do with Ricky, I think. He is a bunting, moving runners along, stealing kind of manager. It's all from the stats guys. The numbers show it's not worth the chance to steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 i love the "dont run, injuries" crowd. its so weak. listen i know people get banged up running -- jam fingers, tweak something, etc. ... how is it any different than running out of the box at sprint speed, or tagging up? or running after a fly ball in the gap? Hint, it's not. Now risk/reward? Maybe there's someting to that with the power we have, but at the same time, can you quantify what it does to the pitcher, the defense alignment, etc. if madrigal, tim, robert, etc are hitting the bases hard every time they get on? I'm pro running if you can't tell. Every 5 or so years the league's pendulum swings towards some new metric and they leave the last one in the dust. Me thinks you keep some of what used to work going. No reason to abandon running all together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: how is it any different than running out of the box at sprint speed, or tagging up? or running after a fly ball in the gap? All of those things are much more valuable than stealing a base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: i love the "dont run, injuries" crowd. its so weak. listen i know people get banged up running -- jam fingers, tweak something, etc. ... how is it any different than running out of the box at sprint speed, or tagging up? or running after a fly ball in the gap? Hint, it's not. Now risk/reward? Maybe there's someting to that with the power we have, but at the same time, can you quantify what it does to the pitcher, the defense alignment, etc. if madrigal, tim, robert, etc are hitting the bases hard every time they get on? I'm pro running if you can't tell. Every 5 or so years the league's pendulum swings towards some new metric and they leave the last one in the dust. Me thinks you keep some of what used to work going. No reason to abandon running all together. Sliding and extra 50 times a season does a number on your legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Sliding and extra 50 times a season does a number on your legs. then i think we should stop tagging up on fly balls. I think the risk reward there is too much if a slide is included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Stealing bases is so '80s. If you look at the stats, a lot of steals correlates pretty strongly with "can't hit." The leaders in team steals right now are Seattle, Miami, San .Diego, Texas, and Kansas City. Exactly one of those teams does not suck. The Sox don't steal bags cuz they don't have to. Plus, with the way they hit with RISP, they're probably better off keeping the guy on first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Stealing bases is so '80s. If you look at the stats, a lot of steals correlates pretty strongly with "can't hit." The leaders in team steals right now are Seattle, Miami, San .Diego, Texas, and Kansas City. Exactly one of those teams does not suck. The Sox don't steal bags cuz they don't have to. Plus, with the way they hit with RISP, they're probably better off keeping the guy on first. The value of a steal is pretty much directly proportional to how many home runs/xbh you're team hits. This team hits a ton. Steals may as well be worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Who cares? Seriously, after one game you had to make a thread, this isn't a playoff team period. Your punching bag is an MVP candidate. The team is in first place and you are complaining about not stealing bases? Just remember, Robert got hurt in spring training a couple of years ago stealing a base, and it wasn't a headfirst slide many claim. Do you not think the team is scoring enough runs? 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: WTF are you even talking about.... How on earth is this not a playoff team? I am not complaining, I am asking and generating discussion that you have provided nothing but dumb shit to. I am talking the season as a whole, not one game.. I am using Robert as an example because he could be one of the highest base stealers in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: then i think we should stop tagging up on fly balls. I think the risk reward there is too much if a slide is included. You do know stealing bases is in addition to tagging on flyballs, many times that don't include slides. Again, Luis Robert screwed up his 2018 season stealing 2nd during a spring training game. The object is to score runs. At this moment one AL team has scored more runs than the Sox. Tampa has scored 4 more runs, but they have played one more game. It doesn't appear not stealing a lot has hurt the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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