YourWhatHurts Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) Nickelodeon, because he's the size of a kid Nickel or Nickels, because he's so small Flea / Mosquito / Nick the Tick, for obvious reasons Mouse maybe, Roach, etc. other pest names Little Hornet, etc. Edited September 12, 2020 by YourWhatHurts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Nickelodeon, because he's the size of a kid Nickel or Nickels, because he's so small Flea / Mosquito / Nick the Tick, for obvious reasons Mouse maybe, Roach, etc. other pest names Little Hornet, etc. Good god 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, YourWhatHurts said: Nickelodeon, because he's the size of a kid Nickel or Nickels, because he's so small Flea / Mosquito / Nick the Tick, for obvious reasons Mouse maybe, Roach, etc. other pest names Little Hornet, etc. There can only be one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 hours ago, YourWhatHurts said: There really is no debate who is the better defensive catcher (McCann). His biggest flaw as of this year is reaching in on pitches and getting the interference call, but my guess is that it relates to him trying to be a pitch framer this year. Just imagine how bad things would have gone for Giolito yesterday without McCann behind the plate. We would have lost the game if Grandal started. Imagine reading my post and deciding the response it needed was, in fact, the grandal vs McCann debate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 'Lil Nicky Edited September 12, 2020 by black jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Nick Madrigal is batting .362 with an expected batting average of .356 according to Statcast despite striking out 8.3% of the time (which is high for him). Think about that for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Nick Madrigal is batting .362 with an expected batting average of .356 according to Statcast despite striking out 8.3% of the time (which is high for him). Think about that for a minute. And as a rookie nonetheless... he sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 15 hours ago, black jack said: 'Lil Nicky Now that's original. How has no one come up with that one yet? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Its quite obvious that Madrigal looks like a major talent. I wonder if the White Sox will try to give him a long term contract this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, WBWSF said: Its quite obvious that Madrigal looks like a major talent. I wonder if the White Sox will try to give him a long term contract this off season. I am 100% sure they already did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I am 100% sure they already did. I actually would be surprised if they did. Going year to year on Madrigal, given how Arbitration treats players of his skill set, seems like the smarter choice. Nothing Nick does will break the bank - he's not going to put up gaudy SB or HR totals and he's not winning any MVP's. Given how anti-players-like-Madrigal the Arbitration process is and has been, I think they'll just play this one out. Robert and Eloy had the chance of getting near MVP levels which escalates the payouts so much that those two make more sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I actually would be surprised if they did. Going year to year on Madrigal, given how Arbitration treats players of his skill set, seems like the smarter choice. Nothing Nick does will break the bank - he's not going to put up gaudy SB or HR totals and he's not winning any MVP's. Given how anti-players-like-Madrigal the Arbitration process is and has been, I think they'll just play this one out. Robert and Eloy had the chance of getting near MVP levels which escalates the payouts so much that those two make more sense. They did it with Bummer, Santos and other relievers, I have no doubt they have been to both Nick and Andrew Vaughn to try to get deals done. It is the Rick Hahn way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, southsider2k5 said: They did it with Bummer, Santos and other relievers, I have no doubt they have been to both Nick and Andrew Vaughn to try to get deals done. It is the Rick Hahn way. Players are happy, team is happy. It made the rebuild possible and means we don't have to worry about shedding contracts for a few years. This is the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Quin said: Players are happy, team is happy. It made the rebuild possible and means we don't have to worry about shedding contracts for a few years. This is the way. I know Tim Anderson is a hot topic this year. I am old enough to remember who many people were upset about his extension being done too early. Now is when that starts paying dividends. in 2021 TA would have been in his first arb year. His deal is paying him $7.25m in 2021. Last year Cody Bellinger got a record $11.5 million for his year one Arb. Previously Kris Bryant has $10.85 million. Even if you want to say that Timmy is a notch under them, what are we looking at $10 million? The savings there is the cost of a low middle reliever or back up utility IF. Next year the savings will be even bigger if Anderson keeps this up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I know Tim Anderson is a hot topic this year. I am old enough to remember who many people were upset about his extension being done too early. Now is when that starts paying dividends. in 2021 TA would have been in his first arb year. His deal is paying him $7.25m in 2021. Last year Cody Bellinger got a record $11.5 million for his year one Arb. Previously Kris Bryant has $10.85 million. Even if you want to say that Timmy is a notch under them, what are we looking at $10 million? The savings there is the cost of a low middle reliever or back up utility IF. Next year the savings will be even bigger if Anderson keeps this up. I remember when people said guys like Anderson- who never walk, strike out consistently, don't hit for enough power, and play bad D- won't be a useful roster spot when the rebuild ends Edited September 16, 2020 by soxfan49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I know Tim Anderson is a hot topic this year. I am old enough to remember who many people were upset about his extension being done too early. Now is when that starts paying dividends. in 2021 TA would have been in his first arb year. His deal is paying him $7.25m in 2021. Last year Cody Bellinger got a record $11.5 million for his year one Arb. Previously Kris Bryant has $10.85 million. Even if you want to say that Timmy is a notch under them, what are we looking at $10 million? The savings there is the cost of a low middle reliever or back up utility IF. Next year the savings will be even bigger if Anderson keeps this up. How has he been paid the last couple of years compared to not having the deal? I know the Sox will save in the long term but have they seen savings yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 It does appear Madrigal is better than Mendick. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: How has he been paid the last couple of years compared to not having the deal? I know the Sox will save in the long term but have they seen savings yet? There is typically a bit more pay up front, and a lot less in the back end. They paid for those savings early on, and are now raking in the savings. $850k as a mid season call up $1m full year one $1.4m year two $4m year three $7.25 year four Take Lindor as a comp, and a guy who was called up at about the same time of season, and has gone year to year $540k- mid season call up $579k-1 $623k-2 10.85m-3 $17.85m-4 Mookie Betts $514k $566k $950k $10.5m $20m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It does appear Madrigal is better than Mendick. At least I know I will have one person who supports this, but advanced metrics say Mendick has been a better player. Madrigal is a good fit on a superstar team as the 9 hitter, but it’s going to be hard for him to ever put up big WAR numbers, IMO. He’s not someone that is going to break the bank in arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, fathom said: At least I know I will have one person who supports this, but advanced metrics say Mendick has been a better player. Madrigal is a good fit on a superstar team as the 9 hitter, but it’s going to be hard for him to ever put up big WAR numbers, IMO. He’s not someone that is going to break the bank in arbitration. Agree with all of this. I think the WAR will increase as he gets more comfortable with the league for base running and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2021 will be the actually genesis of the "Madrigal Mystery Tour". Can't wait to see him perform over a 162 game season 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: They did it with Bummer, Santos and other relievers, I have no doubt they have been to both Nick and Andrew Vaughn to try to get deals done. It is the Rick Hahn way. Both would be smart to take a deal. Madrigal will be in his late20s when he is a FA, Vaughn too. Especially for 1b/dh the market doesn't get better as they approach 30 so Vaughn should consider it. Depends on how good he becomes of course. If he hits his absolute ceiling and is like Paul goldschmidt (who averaged 5 war his first 6 years which is a 70fv) he can get a good deal at 29-30 and shouldn't take an extension. However if he hits like the median outcome which is like a 2.5 WAR player on average (55 fv) then maybe he should take that deal and sign for like 60M through age 32 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, fathom said: At least I know I will have one person who supports this, but advanced metrics say Mendick has been a better player. Madrigal is a good fit on a superstar team as the 9 hitter, but it’s going to be hard for him to ever put up big WAR numbers, IMO. He’s not someone that is going to break the bank in arbitration. Still not ready to have this discussion but we're getting closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, fathom said: At least I know I will have one person who supports this, but advanced metrics say Mendick has been a better player. Madrigal is a good fit on a superstar team as the 9 hitter, but it’s going to be hard for him to ever put up big WAR numbers, IMO. He’s not someone that is going to break the bank in arbitration. He's not going to ever be paid like a top notch superstar, but that doesn't mean that savings aren't there to be had. There is plenty of WAR to be gotten by playing elite defense, running the bases well, and hitting .300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, Madrigal Mystery Tour said: 2021 will be the actually genesis of the "Madrigal Mystery Tour". Can't wait to see him perform over a 162 game season I am very jealous of you coming up with this. Great name. Great graphic. Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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