Guest wsc425 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 It is January 2nd 2002, and of course nothing has happened yet. Sure, the White Sox traded Mark Johnson, Keith Foulke, and Joe Valentine for Billy Koch, Neal Cotts and Daylon Holt. But really now, is that going to help us with the starting rotation? Well of course they all say, oh yes you need to build to the back of the rotation. No. That is not always the case. Basically the rotation is this right now. Mark Buerhle. Jon Garland. Dan Wright. Jon Rauch. Rocky Biddle. Combined record isn't impressive. 50-41, 4.79 era. :puke :eek That is why the White Sox need to bring in Pedro Astacio and Ismael Valdes. Valdes could fill in as a #5, while Astacio is a #2. The rotation is as follows: Mark Buehrle, Pedro Astacio, Jon Garland, Dan Wright, Ismael Valdes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 The problem is, Astachio is do to make a ton of money. He also had a terrible 2nd half of the season after looking like a cy young award winner in the first half. I am not against Valdes, because it would keep Biddle in the pen, and give us a good backup plan in case one of our pitchers is injured or struggles. Of course, Biddle would probably start the season as the 5 with Rauch down in AAA if we were to sign Valdes. Also, Daal is still out their and would be a very good pickup as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 you foregot to mention we didnt pick up parques and ritchies contracts.. but they are still talking to both players......who knows we may just end up with one or both of them back here............lol.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I'm still so confused as to whether we can have Ritchie back before May. I heard a couple times we could have him back, and then other times I've heard we can't get him to May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Astacio will make $7 million next year....Lee will make $4.2 million. This won't happen, but I'm throwing it out there as a possibility, because we'd only take on $2.8 million of his contract, and if KW could sweet talk Phillips, maybe he could get the Mets to take about half of it....whether in cash or against their payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hold2dibber Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by wsc425It is January 2nd 2002, and of course nothing has happened yet. Sure, the White Sox traded Mark Johnson, Keith Foulke, and Joe Valentine for Billy Koch, Neal Cotts and Daylon Holt. But really now, is that going to help us with the starting rotation? Well of course they all say, oh yes you need to build to the back of the rotation. No. That is not always the case. Basically the rotation is this right now. Mark Buerhle. Jon Garland. Dan Wright. Jon Rauch. Rocky Biddle. Combined record isn't impressive. 50-41, 4.79 era. :puke :eek That is why the White Sox need to bring in Pedro Astacio and Ismael Valdes. Valdes could fill in as a #5, while Astacio is a #2. The rotation is as follows: Mark Buehrle, Pedro Astacio, Jon Garland, Dan Wright, Ismael Valdes. Ick! I'm all for signing Valdes, but he most likely could be signed for 2 years at $3 million per year. Astacio is not as good as Valdes (or, at best, is equal to Valdes), makes WAY more money and would require us to give up someone in trade to get him. Unless he could be had for dirt cheap (e.g., Matt Ginter or Josh Paul) and unless the Mets would throw in at least half of his salary, I wouldn't touch Astascio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 i would rather take some of the free agents out there. daal, rogers, finley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I really believe we'll have Ritchie back this year. So, assuming he's back, we'd have: Buehrle Ritchie Garland Wright Rauch/Biddle/Stewart/Me/You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Isn't Rogers' agent Boras? If so, forget him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 not sure. why does he not like the sox??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well, I'll give you a hint about why we don't deal with Bora$(aside from that one). Greg Maddux also has Bora$ as his agent....and Maddux will have 18 million reasons why he is happy that Bora$ is his agent. Rogers could command around $5 or $6 million next year. At his age, that is outlandish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 another reason we wont get anyone with boras as his agent is because jr wont deal with boras......so scratch anyone with him as an agent off your wish list cause it just aint going to happen.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by soxfan420not sure. why does he not like the sox??? Boras is a complete douchebag. I believe JR offered A-Rod something like 13 million a year, and Boras just laughed and walked away. Winning a Championship? Winning the Salary Sweepstakes? Hell, even ESPN predicted he would come here. Oh, the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Boras to me is a pretty good agent as in he does an awesome job keeping his players happy. Of course, he doesn't always do whats the best for the game, but he's always looking out for his client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 he is the best players agent in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 The Sox offered 18-19 a year, but not many years and some clauses in it, or something like that, I know it wasn't 13 mil though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Boras goes for the pay day, because the bigger pay day his guy gets, the bigger one he gets. Him and Steinbrenner are terrible. Steinbrenner is willing to give impact player money to mediocre players, while Boras is asking for impact player money for mediocre players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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