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Most encouraging things... 1.) We haven't lost to LHP all year 2.) Robert is waking up 3.) YoYo is waking up 4.) We won't be in no starter mode for the first two games of a three g

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We cant realistically expect to win a game where we are running a pitcher out there who has World Series experience and a 1.99 ERA this season because we are facing Chris Bassit?

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Giolito struck out 13 A's last year

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7 hours ago, Ben Waffleson said:

If Eloy is healthy, I feel like he should be the DH. Oakland is a very spacious place to play. Id like to see a good defensive OF behind Gio.

I dont mean Jarrod Dyson starting

Maybe left to right Engel Loubob Nomar

I know most of you hate Nomar but I really think hes looked more locked in this week and I hope he makes all of us eat our words.

I didn't hate Nomar when we got him. I thought it was a good gamble on his upside. Funny thing is if he had just hit like he normally did against RH in 2019 everybody would have loved him. .288 BA , .344 OBP ,500 Slg. and .844 OPS . That looked a helluva lot better than the output we  got from Jay, Cordell, Delmonico and Tilson. However the stats he put up offensively were just like the guys from last year. Just terrible.

Now I don't care how many singles he hits to LF in the last game or 2 , that's not why he was brought here. He was supposed to have an .800+ OPS against RH not a paltry .544 . Also weird that his fielding was better than expected as was his hitting against LH but in a small sample size. We needed his help against RH not LH. At that he failed miserably. Throw in the Moncada bad year .699 OPS 2020, .945 2019 and our expected output against RH pitching tanked . If Eloy wasn't hurt I'm not even sure Mazara makes the playoff roster . I'm predicting EE is left off the playoff roster.

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2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

The A's fans respect our team and really wanted Minnesota to win. However, many are trashing our record against lefties saying we haven't played any good lefties and the combined WAR is less than 1 of the lefty starters we've faced. 

I mean, there just aren't a lot of good left handed starters right now in the AL and NL Central. However, our combined OPS against all lefties is far higher than it is against righties. 

Here's the lefty starters we've faced (WAR values are fWAR)
Danny Duffy - 0.5 WAR
Kris Bubic - 0.5 WAR
Brett Anderson - 0.6 WAR
Tyler Alexander - -0.1 WAR
Matthew Boyd - 0 WAR
Tarik Skubal - - 0.1 WAR
Jon Lester - 0.3 WAR
Steven Brault - 0.8 WAR
Rich Hill - 0.7 WAR

I count a total of 3.2 WAR. Also Tim Anderson alone put Matthew Boyd into negative WAR territory. Yes, none of those guys were elite, but there just weren't a lot of elite left handed starters this year. 

If you go look at the Pitcher WAR leaderboards, the first lefty that pops up is freaking Marco Gonzales. 

Are the A's lefties better than most of the guys we faced? Probably. But does that mean our numbers against lefties are just propped up by bad pitchers? Doesn't appear so. 

 

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46 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Strange thinking . You win game 1 you're want to do everything in your power not to let it get to a game 3. Put your best on the field and be confident you can finish them off in 2 . Bassitt is not  some superstar pitcher.

Guess I have confidence in our hitters facing a lefty, not necessarily otherwise.   You don't have to look further than yesterday to see that we have a tendency to make average pitchers(Alzolay) look like all-stars.  I am pretty confident Kuechel could hold his own or more against Bassitt for 6 innings, but if it turns into a battle of bullpens it turns into a coin flip.  I just like the idea of having a major pitching advantage if we get to a game 3.  If we tee off on Bassitt in game 2 then whoever we run out there should be good enough for us to win and we have a rested Kuechel for game 1 of ALDS.    

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7 minutes ago, chw42 said:

I mean, there just aren't a lot of good left handed starters right now in the AL and NL Central. However, our combined OPS against all lefties is far higher than it is against righties. 

Here's the lefty starters we've faced (WAR values are fWAR)
Danny Duffy - 0.5 WAR
Kris Bubic - 0.5 WAR
Brett Anderson - 0.6 WAR
Tyler Alexander - -0.1 WAR
Matthew Boyd - 0 WAR
Tarik Skubal - - 0.1 WAR
Jon Lester - 0.3 WAR
Steven Brault - 0.8 WAR
Rich Hill - 0.7 WAR

I count a total of 3.2 WAR. Also Tim Anderson alone put Matthew Boyd into negative WAR territory. Yes, none of those guys were elite, but there just weren't a lot of elite left handed starters this year. 

If you go look at the Pitcher WAR leaderboards, the first lefty that pops up is freaking Marco Gonzales. 

Are the A's lefties better than most of the guys we faced? Probably. But does that mean our numbers against lefties are just propped up by bad pitchers? Doesn't appear so. 

 

Thanks for the well thought out post. That clears things up a lot. Lizard had a lot of filth, so we do not want to be chasing in game 1. 

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3 minutes ago, RG23SoxFan said:

Guess I have confidence in our hitters facing a lefty, not necessarily otherwise.   You don't have to look further than yesterday to see that we have a tendency to make average pitchers(Alzolay) look like all-stars.  I am pretty confident Kuechel could hold his own or more against Bassitt for 6 innings, but if it turns into a battle of bullpens it turns into a coin flip.  I just like the idea of having a major pitching advantage if we get to a game 3.  If we tee off on Bassitt in game 2 then whoever we run out there should be good enough for us to win and we have a rested Kuechel for game 1 of ALDS.    

Gio will be able to start game 1 of the ALDS no matter what happens. 

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15 minutes ago, RG23SoxFan said:

Guess I have confidence in our hitters facing a lefty, not necessarily otherwise.   You don't have to look further than yesterday to see that we have a tendency to make average pitchers(Alzolay) look like all-stars.  I am pretty confident Kuechel could hold his own or more against Bassitt for 6 innings, but if it turns into a battle of bullpens it turns into a coin flip.  I just like the idea of having a major pitching advantage if we get to a game 3.  If we tee off on Bassitt in game 2 then whoever we run out there should be good enough for us to win and we have a rested Kuechel for game 1 of ALDS.    

Right but you have to use Keuchel in game 2 because if used in game 3 that just delays him starting in the ALDS . Use the regular rotation like you have all year. The 3rd and 4th starters just have to step up if we are going to go anywhere in any additional series. We may not tee off on Bassitt and there's a better chance the A's tee off on whoever starts in place of Keuchel . I don't want to give away a game then delay Keuchels start in the ALDS should he happen to win a game 3 and throw the rotation off kilter.  Remember if we win in 2 games we get more time off . SO we might be able to pitch Giolito and Keuchel in the 1st 2 games of the ALDS

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Right but you have to use Keuchel in game 2 because if used in game 3 that just delays him starting in the ALDS . Use the regular rotation like you have all year. The 3rd and 4th starters just have to step up if we are going to go anyway in any additional series. We may not tee off on Bassitt and there's a better chance the A's tee off on whoever starts in place of Keuchel . I don't want to give away a game then delay Keuchels start in the ALDS should he happen to win a game 3 and throw the rotation off kilter.  Remember if we win in 2 games we get more time off . SO we might be able to pitch Giolito and Keuchel in the 1st 2 games of the ALDS

yes, I guess I am just focused on winning this 1st round and it would mess with the ALDS.  If Giolito/Kuechel pitch as expected we should have a good shot of winning 2-0 and moving on. 

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3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

Did anybody actually expect EE to start tomorrow? Seems obvious that McCann will catch Lucas and Grandal will be the DH. Not sure how anybody could think EE starts over Grandal. 

Ricky continued to play EE in the regular season in hopes that EE would catch fire. Well he didn’t. I’m not saying he’ll be on the bench all postseason, but I certainly never expected him to play tomorrow. 

I dont expect grandal to be the dh with no 3rd catcher. Seems like a big risk for a playoff game but we shall see

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