harkness99 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 It's not just the sox - its all over. The Giants basically got eliminated in their final game by the umpires. In 30 years of watching baseball I've never see such incompetence as this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Like Mendoza put it perfectly... "The hitter should get credit on 3-2 for not swing at a pitch like that, not punished - that's now how the game works." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 It would be nice if they actually were embarrassed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SouthWallace said: It would be nice if they actually were embarrassed... Or had any kind of accountability 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MeanJoeCrede said: Or had any kind of accountability Yes, THAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Why not list umpire stats just like players?They have all the statcast data. No reason they couldn't create stats adjusting for game situations and so forth.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, MeanJoeCrede said: Why not list umpire stats just like players?They have all the statcast data. No reason they couldn't create stats adjusting for game situations and so forth.... They just need to use the k zone, computers and get it over with. Like the human eyes in the dugout can tell from far away most of the time that the pitches are being called wrongly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Didn't watch the full game, homework with hi8is Jr.... Seemed like a very winnable game, aside from Madrigals error and some key LOB for us... should have won the game. Can we really pin this on the umps? ( Again, didn't see so someone fill me in ) But from what I watched, it seems like we've had 1 game of hope and 1 game of ugly. Tough to go into tomorrow with so much uncertainty in our rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2-0 pitch way off the plate called on Grandal that turned an inning around also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, hi8is said: Didn't watch the full game, homework with hi8is Jr.... Seemed like a very winnable game, aside from Madrigals error and some key LOB for us... should have won the game. Can we really pin this on the umps? ( Again, didn't see so someone fill me in ) But from what I watched, it seems like we've had 1 game of hope and 1 game of ugly. Tough to go into tomorrow with so much uncertainty in our rotation. Three terrible strike calls in three different ABs completely altered the ABs and or killed the rally. Mazara getting called out on a pitch as bad as the Angel Hernandez call last weekend shut down an 8th inning rally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, harkness99 said: Like Mendoza put it perfectly... "The hitter should get credit on 3-2 for not swing at a pitch like that, not punished - that's now how the game works." She also said the HR was fair and luckily ump said foul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 This would have been the perfect season to test out an automated strike zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SouthWallace said: Three terrible strike calls in three different ABs completely altered the ABs and or killed the rally. Mazara getting called out on a pitch as bad as the Angel Hernandez call last weekend shut down an 8th inning rally. So then in many ways it was a game we could have won... but bottom line is it was an ugly game for our Sox with too little too late shown. Get em tomorrow or go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Lot of new umps I’ve never seen/heard. Are these umps out of work due to the canceling of the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) @UmpScorecards is a good follow on the twitters. Curious to see what they say about today’s game. Here’s yesterday’s game, for example Edited September 30, 2020 by Blackout Friday 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 As an old-time baseball fan I generally don't like change...but thanks to lousy umpiring I am anxious for the electronic calling of balls and strikes. It has gotten ridiculous. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, hi8is said: So then in many ways it was a game we could have won... but bottom line is it was an ugly game for our Sox with too little too late shown. Get em tomorrow or go home. A couple of Sox errors, a couple of great defensive plays by the A’s, and a pretty terrible zone. Still had a chance to win at the end. Clean some things up and go get them tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said: @UmpScorecards is a good follow on the twitters. Curious to see what they say about today’s game. Here’s yesterday’s game, for example so statistically.. hard to quanitify -but his calls cost the white sox 0.5 runs oh that was yesterday... Edited September 30, 2020 by harkness99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hi8is said: Didn't watch the full game, homework with hi8is Jr.... Seemed like a very winnable game, aside from Madrigals error and some key LOB for us... should have won the game. Can we really pin this on the umps? ( Again, didn't see so someone fill me in ) But from what I watched, it seems like we've had 1 game of hope and 1 game of ugly. Tough to go into tomorrow with so much uncertainty in our rotation. No one here that I saw or myself said the reason we lost was the umpires. He did ring Mazara up on a terrible terrible call in the 8th- would have been 2 on and 1 out - instead was 1 and 2 out. So was very crucial miss. Edited September 30, 2020 by harkness99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MeanJoeCrede said: Why not list umpire stats just like players?They have all the statcast data. No reason they couldn't create stats adjusting for game situations and so forth.... Internally I think they do. Its just not public. All of their calls are scrutinized by their superiors. Yes that would embarrass them and would love to see those stats! Would love for it to be public. Edited September 30, 2020 by smellysox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Umpires get graded but results never published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, harkness99 said: so statistically.. hard to quanitify -but his calls cost the white sox 0.5 runs oh that was yesterday... Usually they’re posted the next day. Just wanted to post an example so people had an idea of what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, harkness99 said: No one here that I saw or myself said the reason we lost was the umpires. He did ring Mazara up on a terrible terrible call in the 8th- would have been 2 on and 1 out - instead was 1 and 2 out. So was very crucial miss. Ouch that’s rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said: @UmpScorecards is a good follow on the twitters. Curious to see what they say about today’s game. Here’s yesterday’s game, for example This is really cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MeanJoeCrede said: Or had any kind of accountability Unleash the hashtags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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