CeaseAndExist Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I can tell you Fangraphs is way off with that valuation. lol okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Colas should be a FV 90! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I can tell you Fangraphs is way off with that valuation. Why are teams falling over themselves for a 35 FV player? Answer: He's not. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I don't get all the hype here around Colas myself. He's not high profile like Moncada, Robert, Soler, and Cespedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: lol okay You’re right buddy, Fangraphs is never wrong, just like when they had Luis Robert graded as a 55 FV prospect prior to this season and still only have him as a 60 FV guy. But hey, if you actually think Oscar Colas is the same caliber prospect as Luis Mieses then god bless you! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Why are teams falling over themselves for a 35 FV player? Answer: He's not. Longenhagen probably got some bad intel when Colas’ body went the wrong way. He’s back in elite shape with elite speed, power, & arm who has had success at various levels of Cuban & Japanese baseball at a very young age. To think he’s a 35 FV grade prospect is just laughable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Bauer is my #1 target if I am Hahn. SP in general is my #1 target. I would sign a few if you can....going back to 162 games you can't have enough SP, the Sox didn't even have enough for 60. After pitching, I would look for a lefty bat. I know he is on the older side, and defense is probably lacking, but I take a hard look at Michael Brantley. I am guessing that the Astros don't bring him back with guys like Tucker still looking for a spot. He is a professional lefty hitter who can get on base. I would see if you can get a 2 year deal and hope to find a RF in the next few years for the long term. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 8 hours ago, aeichhor said: back in June of 2012 I wanted either Stroman or Giolito in the Draft...Be nice if we had both (although I think Stroman's best days are behind him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I do think we will go hard after Bauer. if he is willing to still take a short deal we will try. IMO we dont like giving SP long term deals. Its more about how tied up we would be for years vs spending a lot on a 2 yr deal. He has his issues w/ his personality but he studies a lot (could teach our young pitchers) and looks like he likes to have fun. Stroman is a good option as well pending what he wants. Then I want Brantley and for us to sign the Cuban kid. Have him as a stop gap then hope Colas works out. Sign a BP piece or 2. 2021: C- Yas 1. Vaughn/Abreu/Yas 2. Madrigal ss. TA 3. Moncada OF: Brantley/Robert/Eloy DH: Vaughn/Abreu/Yas Bench: Mendick/L. Garcia/Collins/FA SP: Bauer/Gio/DK/Cease/Dunning....... fight it out between, and eventually replaced by Kopech, Lopez/Stevier/etc. You cannot tell me that's not a nice ass team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Longenhagen probably got some bad intel when Colas’ body went the wrong way. He’s back in elite shape with elite speed, power, & arm who has had success at various levels of Cuban & Japanese baseball at a very young age. To think he’s a 35 FV grade prospect is just laughable. Where are you getting this from? I am wary of his body type, defensive position, and plate discipline. I couldn't find any recent updates on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 10 hours ago, CeaseAndExist said: Payroll cuts are going to be a reality for every MLB team though. Teams like the Indians and DBacks are looking at massive cutbacks. Proportionally, I don't see much changing with where the Sox payroll ranks. So you are saying that its possible all teams make cuts and therefore where the Sox rank in payroll will be in the same area meaning it's very possible that payroll is less than it was in 2020 which is what everyone is afraid of. Precisely my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Where are you getting this from? I am wary of his body type, defensive position, and plate discipline. I couldn't find any recent updates on him. I remember something on here that had video clips of him looking in great shape as compared to earlier clips of him looking roundish. You might have to do some digging using search here. I think Colas is a long shot to be ready by 2022 . Try this thread in Future Sox : July 2nd Latest from Futuresox & our James Edited October 6, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I can tell you Fangraphs is way off with that valuation. And you know that how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Orlando said: And you know that how? Not that Jim Callis is an international player guru either, but AAAA DH only players as Colas is described by Fangraphs are not ranked in the 30-60 range in top 100 prospect lists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Longenhagen's Robert valuation was not particularly good, and he had eyes on him. But - when he did was about a year before he defected an a lot of growth can happen between 18 and 19. Colas is interesting. There seems to be a lot of raw talent, but him not making the actual NPL team means it may not be polished yet. I guess, my point is I hope we get him or cespedes, but i'm less concerned with whatever valuations there are of him now which are likely based on old info. I'm interested in the first eyes of him after we hopefully sign him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Not that Jim Callis is an international player guru either, but AAAA DH only players as Colas is described by Fangraphs are not ranked in the 30-60 range in top 100 prospect lists. I think the fangraphs rank was when he was fat and out of shape. I think when longenhagen sees the body change in games he will adjust his ranking. Don't think he will have him in the top100 but more like a 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 SP - My head says that they will end up with Stroman, but my heart hopes that they go really hard after Bauer. He's the only TOR guy available and the Sox need someone they can trust in a big spot. Then they can let Kopech, Dunning, and Cease battle for the last 2 rotation spots. RF - I know that everybody is clamoring for a new RF but something tells me that they will stand pat. The Sox wanted him for a long time and I have a hard time believing that they will admit defeat after 60 games of Mazara recovering from COVID. Especially when he was having his best ABs of the season during the last week of the regular season and in the playoffs. Worst case, he sucks again and they can make a move at next year's deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, oneofthemikes said: SP - My head says that they will end up with Stroman, but my heart hopes that they go really hard after Bauer. He's the only TOR guy available and the Sox need someone they can trust in a big spot. Then they can let Kopech, Dunning, and Cease battle for the last 2 rotation spots. RF - I know that everybody is clamoring for a new RF but something tells me that they will stand pat. The Sox wanted him for a long time and I have a hard time believing that they will admit defeat after 60 games of Mazara recovering from COVID. Especially when he was having his best ABs of the season during the last week of the regular season and in the playoffs. Worst case, he sucks again and they can make a move at next year's deadline. His ABs in the playoffs were the best on the team. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Jerksticks said: His ABs in the playoffs were the best on the team. Crazy. Timmy might have a case to make with 9 hits in a 3 game series But on the whole, I agree they will take stick with Mazara based what he did at the end of the year...the only disagreement I would have with myself about that is that they did bench him for game 1 of the series and they might not like what he would get in arbitration. We will see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, wegner said: Timmy might have a case to make with 9 hits in a 3 game series But on the whole, I agree they will take stick with Mazara based what he did at the end of the year...the only disagreement I would have with myself about that is that they did bench him for game 1 of the series and they might not like what he would get in arbitration. We will see. Oh man! Don’t tell TA7 of my blasphemy I forgot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Jerksticks said: Oh man! Don’t tell TA7 of my blasphemy I forgot! Shhhh...it's our little secret. But you may owe him a pasta dinner if he finds out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Can Brantley play enough OF now to essentially be a full time RF? Honestly unsure since the Astros primarily used him at DH right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 8:04 PM, MiddleCoastBias said: I'm stumping hard for a trade with Boston of Cease+ for Benintendi. I don't think the team is in a position to trade starting pitching for a position player anywhere on the diamond, even if that position has to otherwise be filled by "Larry" Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: I don't think the team is in a position to trade starting pitching for a position player anywhere on the diamond, even if that position has to otherwise be filled by "Larry" Garcia. Not to mention, is Cease's stock so low that you have to trade 5 years of him and even more for 2 years of Benintendi, who himself is far from his peak value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: I don't think the team is in a position to trade starting pitching for a position player anywhere on the diamond, even if that position has to otherwise be filled by "Larry" Garcia. Cease for Benintendi would be terrible. I am rooting for Cease+++ for Nimmo and Diaz. My +++ would be Collins, Flores and L. Gonzalez. But you can insert whatever backend 40 man guys you want. But I think that's a pretty fair trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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