poppysox Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldsox said: A long time ago In heard Joe Garagiola say that "If I don't pitch it, you can't hit it." That might apply here. I'm sure it does. That sure is how it looks. Afraid to throw the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Was just looking at the potential free agent list and saw Kluber sitting with a team option. #1, after essentially not pitching in 20, plus Texas looking to cut salary, he won't get picked up right? #2, What is the status of his injury, and is he worth a look in 21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Was just looking at the potential free agent list and saw Kluber sitting with a team option. #1, after essentially not pitching in 20, plus Texas looking to cut salary, he won't get picked up right? #2, What is the status of his injury, and is he worth a look in 21? Missing most of the last two years is concerning, but if his medicals checked out I'd be interested in Kluber as the second pitcher added to the staff. He has playoff experience, regular season track record, and could be another valuable asset for the young arms to learn from. He'll turn 35 in April so he's no spring chicken, but maybe a 1 year deal with a team option could fly for him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Missing most of the last two years is concerning, but if his medicals checked out I'd be interested in Kluber as the second pitcher added to the staff. He has playoff experience, regular season track record, and could be another valuable asset for the young arms to learn from. He'll turn 35 in April so he's no spring chicken, but maybe a 1 year deal with a team option could fly for him? I don't think that Kluber will be looked at. You are talking about a guy making a lot of money, is 35 years old and who suffered a shoulder muscle tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Hawk said: I don't think that Kluber will be looked at. You are talking about a guy making a lot of money, is 35 years old and who suffered a shoulder muscle tear. He won't be making nearly as much money in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He won't be making nearly as much money in 2021. Isn't he still under a club option and under contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Hawk said: I don't think that Kluber will be looked at. You are talking about a guy making a lot of money, is 35 years old and who suffered a shoulder muscle tear. 1 hour ago, The Hawk said: Isn't he still under a club option and under contract? Kluber has a club option of 18M for 2021. I would think that the Rangers won't exercise his option at that rate, which would put him on the market. That's why I said if his medical checks out I'd be interested. Based on his resume and the likelihood that he could be had for a reasonable amount and (most likely) a short term commitment, it could be a nice fit. Edited October 25, 2020 by Sleepy Harold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, The Hawk said: Isn't he still under a club option and under contract? The Rangers are looking to cut 50 million in payroll. Kluber has had injuries the last two years, and has a 1 million dollar buyout on a 17.5 million dollar option. My guess is that he gets bought out and signs for something like 1/10 on a prove it contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Rangers are looking to cut 50 million in payroll. Kluber has had injuries the last two years, and has a 1 million dollar buyout on a 17.5 million dollar option. My guess is that he gets bought out and signs for something like 1/10 on a prove it contract. Yeah, after seeing geezing geezers like Gio Gonzalez and Encarnacion steal money, I've become an agist when it comes to FA. I'd say no to Kluber, unless Stroman & Q aren't available to be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 The big thing about Lopez is that his stuff has regressed considerably since the Sox called him up from Charlotte. He was sitting 96-97 and topping at 99 with a nasty curve and changeup when he got called up. Now he's sitting 93-94 and topping at 96 while featuring an average slider and the change is very inconsistent, if still good when located. I think a Lopez/Benintendi swap would be good for both parties, as Boston needs SP and the Sox need a LH OF. Both guys are disappointing former top prospects that have regressed since their successful rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I think a Lopez/Benintendi swap would be good for both parties, as Boston needs SP and the Sox need a LH OF. Both guys are disappointing former top prospects that have regressed since their successful rookie season. I would be highly disappointed if they brought in another project. There is no time for that at this point, your contention window is open now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: I would be highly disappointed if they brought in another project. There is no time for that at this point, your contention window is open now. They need to focus the majority of their budget on getting the best pair of SP that they can. They can hide a project in RF because the rest of the offense is so damn good. Whether it's Mazara cheaply again after a non-tender or Benintendi, it's far easier for the Sox to hide a project in RF than it is for them to hide projects in the rotation. Also, who knows if there will be a MiLB season next year? Edited October 25, 2020 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The big thing about Lopez is that his stuff has regressed considerably since the Sox called him up from Charlotte. He was sitting 96-97 and topping at 99 with a nasty curve and changeup when he got called up. Now he's sitting 93-94 and topping at 96 while featuring an average slider and the change is very inconsistent, if still good when located. I think a Lopez/Benintendi swap would be good for both parties, as Boston needs SP and the Sox need a LH OF. Both guys are disappointing former top prospects that have regressed since their successful rookie season. Certainly wouldn't be the worst deal RH ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: They need to focus the majority of their budget on getting the best pair of SP that they can. They can hide a project in RF because the rest of the offense is so damn good. Whether it's Mazara cheaply again after a non-tender or Benintendi, it's far easier for the Sox to hide a project in RF than it is for them to hide projects in the rotation. Also, who knows if there will be a MiLB season next year? They can’t take for granted the whole offense will be as good as it was in 2020. Punting in RF seems like a mistake to me, especially given some of the injury issues Yoan and Eloy have. As we’re seeing in the postseason, teams that are winning are winning due to the long ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, fathom said: They can’t take for granted the whole offense will be as good as it was in 2020. Punting in RF seems like a mistake to me, especially given some of the injury issues Yoan and Eloy have. As we’re seeing in the postseason, teams that are winning are winning due to the long ball. What’s your hope for RF fathom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What’s your hope for RF fathom? If Hinch is hired, then Springer. Unrealistic likely, but Sox need to do their due diligence on Brantley as a possible RF. I do think it will be Joc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, fathom said: If Hinch is hired, then Springer. Unrealistic likely, but Sox need to do their due diligence on Brantley as a possible RF. I do think it will be Joc. If we add Springer, I think our pitching upgrades are going to leave a lot to be desired. Would you be ok with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, fathom said: They can’t take for granted the whole offense will be as good as it was in 2020. Punting in RF seems like a mistake to me, especially given some of the injury issues Yoan and Eloy have. As we’re seeing in the postseason, teams that are winning are winning due to the long ball. Right now there are 3 holes in the rotation and 1 hole in the offense, with quite possibly every team in baseball on a limited budget. The way I look at it is it's an either/or proposition. They can fix RF and go cheap at SP again, and hope the young guys develop with a kick ass offense, or they can fix SP and try to hide the hole in RF. The SP are so bad outside of Giolito and Keuchel, that I don't think they can even make the playoffs over 162 if they don't fix SP. They are at a point that they can only afford to break in one young SP per season. Next year that will be Kopech, the year after it will be Crochet. In the best case scenario, both guys turn out to be the super studs we think they are and it frees up money to fill RF. I think Cease becomes a trade chip, as both Kopech and Crochet have shown more ability in the command/control category. Crochet is probably on the Chris Sale plan of bullpen in 2021, and if he's as dominant as we think he can be, and stays healthy slides right into the MLB rotation as the 5th starter in 2022. If they wanted to flip Cease for a long-term, cost controlled fix in RF that wouldn't be a bad option either. Edited October 25, 2020 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If we add Springer, I think our pitching upgrades are going to leave a lot to be desired. Would you be ok with that? Yeah I could see them adding Q and a lower tiered swing man (McHugh) for pitching and just loading up the offense. I also really do wonder if they will try to trade Grandal and bring back McCann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Right now there are 3 holes in the rotation and 1 hole in the offense, with quite possibly every team in baseball on a limited budget. The way I look at it is it's an either/or proposition. They can fix RF and go cheap at SP again, and hope the young guys develop with a kick ass offense, or they can fix SP and try to hide the hole in RF. The SP are so bad outside of Giolito and Keuchel, that I don't think they can even make the playoffs over 162 if they don't fix SP. They are at a point that they can only afford to break in one young SP per season. Next year that will be Kopech, the year after it will be Crochet. In the best case scenario, both guys turn out to be the super studs we think they are and it frees up money to fill RF. I think Cease becomes a trade chip, as both Kopech and Crochet have shown more ability in the command/control category. Crochet is probably on the Chris Sale plan of bullpen in 2021, and if he's as dominant as we think he can be, and stays healthy slides right into the MLB rotation as the 5th starter in 2022. They are 100% giving a spot to Dane Dunning next year and I think we should all have pretty high confidence in him being a solid back of the rotation starter at minimum. And at some point, Kopech should force his way into the mix, which means we’ll be developing two young starters next year. Therefore, the key is getting best starting pitcher possible to plug into one of the #1 to #3 spots. If we want to add another back-end guy that’s fine, but there is no way the Sox plan to only develop one young guy next year. Edited October 25, 2020 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah I could see them adding Q and a lower tiered swing man (McHugh) for pitching and just loading up the offense. I also really do wonder if they will try to trade Grandal and bring back McCann. If Quintana is our big rotation upgrade then I think we’re in big trouble next year and I say that even if that means we get Springer. I do like the McHugh idea depending on what else we do, but not sure the front office would sign him after he called them out for service time manipulation. Also, there is zero chance they are moving Grandal in some crazy attempt to bring back McCann. I’m generally curious why you think this, although I’m guessing it’s due to Stone’s comments on Twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: They are 100% giving a spot to Dane Dunning next year and I think we should all have pretty high confidence in him being a solid back of the rotation starter at minimum. And at some point, Kopech should force his way into the mix, which we’ll be developing two young starters next year. Therefore, the key is getting best starting pitcher possible to plug into one of the #1 to #3 spots. If we want to add another back-end guy that’s fine, but there is no way the Sox plan to only develop one young guy next year. Forgot about Dunning for a bit. D'oh I guess if they need to fill only one SP spot, they might be able to fill both RF and SP if they go for a B option in both spots. But the way I look at it is that their either going to be able to get Stroman/Odorizzi or a non-Springer option in RF, not both. I don't see them participating in the Bauer and Springer markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah I could see them adding Q and a lower tiered swing man (McHugh) for pitching and just loading up the offense. I also really do wonder if they will try to trade Grandal and bring back McCann. They're desperately trying to resign McCann. I don't think they'll trade Grandal but McCann will get the lion share of the starts behind the plate if they're able to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Joc Pederson might be hitting himself out of our price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: They need to focus the majority of their budget on getting the best pair of SP that they can. They can hide a project in RF because the rest of the offense is so damn good. Whether it's Mazara cheaply again after a non-tender or Benintendi, it's far easier for the Sox to hide a project in RF than it is for them to hide projects in the rotation. Also, who knows if there will be a MiLB season next year? In reality when payroll is below league average your budget should be able to include a couple starters and a RF......covid or no covid, every single team dealt with the same thing. Now is not the time to cry poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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