maloney.adam Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) On 11/18/2020 at 6:43 PM, Yearnin' for Yermin said: This guy is a fraud as well... Expand I’m posting it anyways for conversation. Edited November 18, 2020 by maloney.adam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Cahill moved to bullpen didn’t he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 BTW, Joe Musgrove would be a huge get. That guy could be in Cy Young contention next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) On 11/18/2020 at 10:02 PM, iWiN4PreP said: BTW, Joe Musgrove would be a huge get. That guy could be in Cy Young contention next year. Expand IDK about Cy Young contention, but he's been quietly good for a few years now. His K/9 numbers last year were insane in his 8 starts. He's also arb 2 already in 2021, so he shouldn't come at a huge price. Edited November 18, 2020 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 It is nice having guys that can throw strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Kind of crazy that even The Food accounts aren’t tweeting today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 10:31 PM, bmags said: It is nice having guys that can throw strikes. Expand Meh. Strikes are overrated. I want Velocity! and Spin Rate! and Ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 11:51 PM, Orlando said: Kind of crazy that even The Food accounts aren’t tweeting today. Expand Something about to pop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 11:55 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Something about to pop? Expand I wish !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 11:55 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Something about to pop? Expand Seems more like everyone is waiting for the non-tender deadline and the Mets to hire a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 2:38 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: It was 29 games. Expand Imagine the ammunition you would have had if it was .240 in those 29 games. And yet the Madrigal bashers seem to always mention his bad base running, baseball IQ , and bad fielding that occurred in those 29 games. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:43 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Imagine the ammunition you would have had if it was .240 in those 29 games. And yet the Madrigal bashers seem to always mention his bad base running, baseball IQ , and bad fielding that occurred in those 29 games. Expand The guy has enough fielding, baserunning and baseball IQ blunders to fill an entire regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:48 AM, Yearnin' for Yermin said: The guy has enough fielding, baserunning and baseball IQ blunders to fill an entire regular season. Expand So those things count and his .340 BA and his 108 OPS + don't . Got it. So rookie mistakes and errors can't be fixed and he can't possibly make adjustments and wait til the pitchers make adjustments to him and outfielders play right behind the infield and he will be useless. I understand now. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:55 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So those things count and his .340 BA and his 108 OPS + don't . Got it. So rookie mistakes and errors can't be fixed and he can't possibly make adjustments and wait til the pitchers make adjustments to him and outfielders play right behind the infield and he will be useless. I understand now. Expand Errors he made with a bum shoulder as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 1:19 AM, YoYoIsMyHero said: Errors he made with a bum shoulder as well Expand Bum shoulder causes you to act like you’ve never played a ball near the lip of the grass before? Again, it doesn’t really matter what we think. From the sounds of it, the Sox aren’t as high on him as they used to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:43 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Imagine the ammunition you would have had if it was .240 in those 29 games. And yet the Madrigal bashers seem to always mention his bad base running, baseball IQ , and bad fielding that occurred in those 29 games. Expand I don't know who you're talking about but I mention his low impact, lack of power and lack of speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:55 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So those things count and his .340 BA and his 108 OPS + don't . Got it. So rookie mistakes and errors can't be fixed and he can't possibly make adjustments and wait til the pitchers make adjustments to him and outfielders play right behind the infield and he will be useless. I understand now. Expand Meh, Madrigal feels like the "subtle racism of lowered expectations," in that he's a small white guy, so OF COURSE he's "baseball smart," "good at defense," and "a grinder," right? I can forgive physical mistakes, given his injuries. But his moronic baserunning bothered me, TBH. If he's here in '21, I hope he gets his shit sorted. If he's traded this offseason, I won't lose too much sleep over it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:55 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So those things count and his .340 BA and his 108 OPS + don't . Got it. So rookie mistakes and errors can't be fixed and he can't possibly make adjustments and wait til the pitchers make adjustments to him and outfielders play right behind the infield and he will be useless. I understand now. Expand This should be the end of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 11:55 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Something about to poop? Expand Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 It's a new day and I'm off today so it's time to get some random chatter going in here. Offseason: Trade for Musgrove (Stevier? IDK) Trade for Blackmon (just take him on) Trade for Darvish or Lynn (whatever allows us to keep MAdrigal/Vaughn/Kopech) Sign some RP/backup defense boom im happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 1:02 PM, iWiN4PreP said: It's a new day and I'm off today so it's time to get some random chatter going in here. Offseason: Trade for Musgrove (Stevier? IDK) Trade for Blackmon (just take him on) Trade for Darvish or Lynn (whatever allows us to keep MAdrigal/Vaughn/Kopech) Sign some RP/backup defense boom im happy Expand Why are we “just taking” Blackmon and his $21M salary when $25M/year probably gets you an immensely better player in Springer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 2:19 AM, Two-Gun Pete said: Meh, Madrigal feels like the "subtle racism of lowered expectations," in that he's a small white guy, so OF COURSE he's "baseball smart," "good at defense," and "a grinder," right? I can forgive physical mistakes, given his injuries. But his moronic baserunning bothered me, TBH. If he's here in '21, I hope he gets his shit sorted. If he's traded this offseason, I won't lose too much sleep over it. Expand I get where you’re coming from on the racial part and have wondered how that fit the description of this player as well, but the other part with Madrigal is that we are talking about the number 4 overall pick. He has an excellent hit tool but zero power, and that lack of power doesn’t justify being drafted that highly unless he also is strong in other aspects of the game. People have talked here about him stealing a lot of bases at a high clip and just taking over the gold glove awards at 2b. If he had a good chance of doing that, then the draft pick makes sense without the lack of power. If he can’t do things like that, then the draft selection made no sense. One would certainly hope that the organization could look past the “Grindy little white guy” stuff while evaluating a multi million dollar decision. But then, the White Sox really did lose all benefit of the doubt on this issue this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I can see both sides of the Madrigal debate. Personally, I think the errors are less of an indicator of the type of baseball player he'll be than his abilities at the plate. However, I think his spot would be the easiest to fill if he were traded. There are plenty of decent to good stop gap players available, and if trading Madrigal gets you the SP you need, you pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 1:06 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Why are we “just taking” Blackmon and his $21M salary when $25M/year probably gets you an immensely better player in Springer? Expand True. Springer has competition from Blue Jays/Mets/others. Chance that we do not get him. Could say that we take on Blackmon + Marquez or Blackmon + ____ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 offseason moves for a ring... 1) trade for Darvish...guessing Cease and sweetener gets it done (Rodon seems like a guy Cubs might feel they can wring some mileage out of) 2) blockbuster trade with Milwaukee for Burnes...yes, this will likely require sending Brewers one of our key pieces we are all so emotionally attached to 3) sign Colome and/or Hand These moves likely consume any available budget so we go with what we have in RF which I'm fine with if it means 1) Giolito 2) Burnes 3) Darvish 4) Keuchel 5) Dunning/Kopech The biggest challenge will be to pry Burnes away from Brewers but, if we can get over the initial angst of dealing one of our beloved, this rotation and lineup might win 105-110 games for each of the next 3 years and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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