striker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:58 AM, chw42 said: Joc Pederson might be hitting himself out of our price range. Expand One of the smartest teams in baseball does not consider him a full time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 4:52 PM, striker said: One of the smartest teams in baseball does not consider him a full time player. Expand He wouldn’t be for us either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:21 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're desperately trying to resign McCann. I don't think they'll trade Grandal but McCann will get the lion share of the starts behind the plate if they're able to bring him back. Expand I would really as a fan love it if they could somehow resign McCann. It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me from a financial statement given what else they need pitching-wise. But it would be still neat to have that guy back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:21 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're desperately trying to resign McCann. I don't think they'll trade Grandal but McCann will get the lion share of the starts behind the plate if they're able to bring him back. Expand This would be a terrible use of limited resources 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 4:52 PM, striker said: One of the smartest teams in baseball does not consider him a full time player. Expand He shouldn't be a full time player. The smartest teams in baseball understand how to extract value platooning. Pederson has a lifetime .850 OPS and 128 wRC+ vs RHP. He shouldn't ever face lefties and playing in the ALC, he won't have to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:06 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: This would be a terrible use of limited resources Expand Agreed, would hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 4:52 PM, striker said: One of the smartest teams in baseball does not consider him a full time player. Expand They use him correctly. He hits righties, which you will see on the mound what, 70% of a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:06 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: This would be a terrible use of limited resources Expand Would you rather see the entire pitching staff revolt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:08 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: He shouldn't be a full time player. The smartest teams in baseball understand how to extract value platooning. Pederson has a lifetime .850 OPS and 128 wRC+ vs RHP. He shouldn't ever face lefties and playing in the ALC, he won't have to. Expand My argument was that he was pricing himself out of our reach. I don't think he is, because he is a part time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:29 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Would you rather see the entire pitching staff revolt? Expand They're professional athletes. If they have to have James McCann around to perform, then we're doomed and they should get rid of all of them anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:21 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're desperately trying to resign McCann. I don't think they'll trade Grandal but McCann will get the lion share of the starts behind the plate if they're able to bring him back. Expand I don't see how there is any way this is remotely accurate information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:29 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Would you rather see the entire pitching staff revolt? Expand Rather they trade Grandal and include some cash if that’s the case. I don’t doubt you that the pitchers dislike throwing to him. Stoney doesn’t rip on someone this much if everything is going well behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:59 PM, fathom said: Rather they trade Grandal and include some cash if that’s the case. I don’t doubt you that the pitchers dislike throwing to him. Stoney doesn’t rip on someone this much if everything is going well behind the scenes. Expand It's pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 5:59 PM, fathom said: Rather they trade Grandal and include some cash if that’s the case. I don’t doubt you that the pitchers dislike throwing to him. Stoney doesn’t rip on someone this much if everything is going well behind the scenes. Expand Trading Grandal is such a terrible idea for this offense. He is legitimately the exact kind of player the Sox need. Good plate discipline, lineup balance / switch hitter, going deep in counts are all major weaknesses of the sox young core. Trading him and then signing James McCann to a deal that beats 29 other clubs offers just seems very.......dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:09 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's pretty bad. Expand They blaming him for the terrible CERA he had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:26 PM, Tony said: I think you're intentionally looking at it from this light because you believe signing McCann will impact other decisions you feel the Sox should make to the roster (which is very possibly true and a very real concern.) However, a few things. 1. The Sox have made it known that they actively seek the opinion of "team leaders" when it comes to certain roster decisions. 2. It doesn't seem that crazy to me that players like Giolito, Keuchle, and a few others would make their feelings known that James McCann is on this roster, wants to come back (I'm assuming that, no actual info on that) and is willing to come back for fair market value (another assumption.) It's not like Lucas Giolito is going to Hahn and saying "You have to sign Bryce Harper to a $300 million deal, I won't stand for it if you don't open the checkbook." or "I want you to give up these three prospects for X player." 3. I'm also not ready to believe players will "revolt" if McCann isn't brought back, but as a pitcher.....if there are two catchers on the roster and one of them is objectively better behind the plate and calling a game.......I'd fight for that guy to come back as well. Expand However, I assume our pitching staff is basically 2 people that they'd care about so really the question is how much Keuchel also disliked him as a C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:28 PM, bmags said: However, I assume our pitching staff is basically 2 people that they'd care about so really the question is how much Keuchel also disliked him as a C. Expand Yep exactly what I was thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:30 PM, Tony said: Correct. Gio has been very open on his praise for James, I don't know where Keuchle stands. Expand Keuchel pitched great with Grandal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:26 PM, Tony said: I think you're intentionally looking at it from this light because you believe signing McCann will impact other decisions you feel the Sox should make to the roster (which is very possibly true and a very real concern.) However, a few things. 1. The Sox have made it known that they actively seek the opinion of "team leaders" when it comes to certain roster decisions. 2. It doesn't seem that crazy to me that players like Giolito, Keuchle, and a few others would make their feelings known that James McCann is on this roster, wants to come back (I'm assuming that, no actual info on that) and is willing to come back for fair market value (another assumption.) It's not like Lucas Giolito is going to Hahn and saying "You have to sign Bryce Harper to a $300 million deal, I won't stand for it if you don't open the checkbook." or "I want you to give up these three prospects for X player." 3. I'm also not ready to believe players will "revolt" if McCann isn't brought back, but as a pitcher.....if there are two catchers on the roster and one of them is objectively better behind the plate and calling a game.......I'd fight for that guy to come back as well. Expand Dallas Keuchel pitched better with Grandal. Let me ask you this. James McCann is on the roster and playing catcher. Who plays DH on the days McCann catches? Grandal, Abreu and Vaughn are on the roster too. None of this makes any sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:54 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Dallas Keuchel pitched better with Grandal. Let me ask you this. James McCann is on the roster and playing catcher. Who plays DH on the days McCann catches? Grandal, Abreu and Vaughn are on the roster too. None of this makes any sense. Expand The fact that there's no sensible way to have all these guys on the roster does not in some way translate to "there's no way the pitchers are that adamant about wanting to pitch to McCann and not Grandal". It sounds like @Harold's Leg Lift is suggesting he knows some internal goings-on, and that the pitchers have come down strongly in that direction, to the point where the org is trying to find a way to make it happen. Whether or not we believe it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The idea that everyone on the team hates Grandal's guts and wants him gone is hilarious considering his 2020 season was basically exactly what he always produces both defensively and offensively (maybe add a bit more SLG but his offense was still good). If the Sox didn't know that prior to signing him, that's their own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:58 PM, Balta1701 said: The fact that there's no sensible way to have all these guys on the roster does not in some way translate to "there's no way the pitchers are that adamant about wanting to pitch to McCann and not Grandal". It sounds like @Harold's Leg Lift is suggesting he knows some internal goings-on, and that the pitchers have come down strongly in that direction, to the point where the org is trying to find a way to make it happen. Whether or not we believe it... Expand I'm not questioning @Harold's Leg Liftat all. He gets good info. I'm questioning the decision making process of the organization if they spend real $$ on a backup catcher. Bringing McCann back makes very little sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:30 PM, Tony said: Correct. Gio has been very open on his praise for James, I don't know where Keuchle stands. Expand The Gio/James bromance began during each other’s breakout seasons in ‘19, before Grandal arrived. So is it really a matter of people just liking McCann and not necessarily meaning they don’t like Grandal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 6:53 PM, Tony said: Doesn't mean he didn't like pitching to McCann more, and wants him back... Expand Pretty sure Dallas was the one who publicly had great stuff to say about Grandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I don't see it being easy to trade Grandal. Maybe the loser to a Realmuto sweepstakes, where you trade to a Mets or Phillies. You will need a team with a real need at catcher since teams may view that salary as a luxury at catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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