JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:32 AM, almagest said: Yeah, you're right. I can't read. Still don't want to pay him $21-22 mil/yr for ~ 1.9 WAR/yr. Expand Isn’t that near going rate in free agency tho? ~$10M for 1 WAR? Have Cubs pick up $5-6M a year and we throw in a low level minor leaguer or two. Everyone wants good defense in RF and someone that can hit righties. He checks both boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 It’s almost a guarantee, IMO, based off Stoney’s comments that they want a lefty run producer. I feel like Brantley could be the Sox version of Zobrist/Cubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 12:29 AM, Baron said: No idea. I don't think they'll be able to compete for the high free agents. But until we find out if they are going to be on a pretty rigid budget it's all up in the air. Expand Have you met Jerry Reinsdorf? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:39 AM, fathom said: It’s almost a guarantee, IMO, based off Stoney’s comments that they want a lefty run producer. I feel like Brantley could be the Sox version of Zobrist/Cubs. Expand Brantley would scare the hell out of me as one of those "one year too late" type guys. Similar to EE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I’m not sure why Joc gets so much hate around here, but how would these numbers not be sick for a year while we are hopefully waiting on Colas to be ready? Joc vs. RHP (2018-19): 850 PA, 60 HR, .908 OPS, 138 wRC+ Engel vs.LHP (2019-20): 124 PA, 3 HR, .820 OPS. 122 wRC+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:41 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I’m not sure why Joc gets so much hate around here, but how would these numbers not be sick for a year while we are hopefully waiting on Colas to be ready? Joc vs. RHP (2018-19): 850 PA, 60 HR, .908 OPS, 138 wRC+ Engel vs.LHP (2019-20): 124 PA, 3 HR, .820 OPS. 122 wRC+ Expand Because his 2020 is scary bad and honestly he doesn’t look great physically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyLawRules Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 OT: This just in, James Shields hit his 2nd homer tonight to put SD up 9-6. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:43 AM, fathom said: Because his 2020 is scary bad and honestly he doesn’t look great physically Expand I really haven’t seen him this year, but looks off with him physically this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:48 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I really haven’t seen him this year, but looks off with him physically this year? Expand Seems he’s been going through some family stuff with a newborn, but he’s definitely put on some lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:34 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Isn’t that near going rate in free agency tho? ~$10M for 1 WAR? Have Cubs pick up $5-6M a year and we throw in a low level minor leaguer or two. Everyone wants good defense in RF and someone that can hit righties. He checks both boxes. Expand No, 1 WAR is not worth $10 million/yr unless you take a naive average across baseball, otherwise Trout would be making 100 million/year and Machado would've signed for ~$50 million/year. You "over" pay up front for production and hopefully end up with a not-too-bad contract by the end of it as the player declines and the AAV of other contracts go up. Contracts have not gone up that much since Heyward signed and with the overall economic downturn from COVID we'd be foolish to take on the majority of that contract when we could go out and get someone like Springer or Bauer for the same money (or a bit more). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:46 AM, RudyLawRules said: OT: This just in, James Shields hit his 2nd homer tonight to put SD up 9-6. ?♂️ Expand The Sox are still beating Tatis Jr. 11 to 9 (4 runs 5 RBIs), though Fernando has last wraps with Game Three tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Bauer or something equivalent. With out that any other moves wont matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:41 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I’m not sure why Joc gets so much hate around here, but how would these numbers not be sick for a year while we are hopefully waiting on Colas to be ready? Joc vs. RHP (2018-19): 850 PA, 60 HR, .908 OPS, 138 wRC+ Engel vs.LHP (2019-20): 124 PA, 3 HR, .820 OPS. 122 wRC+ Expand Colas is a FV 35 on Fangraphs. He's not even considered at the level of guys like Basabe and Rutherford. No problem signing him but he might not even reach MLB, so I wouldn't make any plans around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) I think anyone who thinks we'll be in the bidding for Bauer or Stroman are in for a not so great surprise when the offseason starts. I dont see us anywhere remotely close to getting either of those guys. Edited October 2, 2020 by Baron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:07 AM, supernuke said: Bauer or something equivalent. With out that any other moves wont matter. Expand Not really an equivalent on the market. Not many great FA starters this winter. Bauer would look great in a Sox uni but I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:41 AM, SouthWallace said: Not really an equivalent on the market. Not many great FA starters this winter. Bauer would look great in a Sox uni but I don't see it happening. Expand Yeah, If they can't get Bauer then they have to hope the new Mets owner want to start a rebuild and deGrom becomes available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 McCann was my top priority, but my optimism on a return is fading Colome was next, nothing longer than a 3 year deal...Well deserved I know we want Bauer/Stroman, but I don't see SP as such a pressing need, another arm would be nice, but with Kopech back and Cease/Dunning progressing, I'm less eager to overpay for an arm in the offseason Not sure what to make of RF, who's out there? Adolfo and Rutherford are...possibly, internal options Really love a super bench w/ McCann, Mendick, Yolmer, Engel, Leury, but we'll see what happens, hope the roster stays at 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 2:46 AM, RudyLawRules said: This just in, He Who Shall Not Be Named hit his 2nd homer tonight to put SD up 9-6. Expand Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 3:55 AM, South Side Hit Men said: The Sox are still beating He Who Shall Not Be Named 11 to 9 (4 runs 5 RBIs), though Fernando has last wraps with Game Three tomorrow Expand Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 5:00 AM, ChiSoxJon said: McCann was my top priority, but my optimism on a return is fading Colome was next, nothing longer than a 3 year deal...Well deserved I know we want Bauer/Stroman, but I don't see SP as such a pressing need, another arm would be nice, but with Kopech back and Cease/Dunning progressing, I'm less eager to overpay for an arm in the offseason Not sure what to make of RF, who's out there? Adolfo and Rutherford are...possibly, internal options Really love a super bench w/ McCann, Mendick, Yolmer, Engel, Leury, but we'll see what happens, hope the roster stays at 28 Expand C; Grandal, McCann 1B: Abreu 2B: Madrigal, Mendick, Yolmer 3B: Moncada SS: Anderson OF: Robert, Jimenez, Adolfo/Rutherford/FA, Engel, Leury DH: Vaughn Rotation: Giolito, Kuechel, Cease, Dunning, Kopech Bullpen: Colome, Bummer, Marshall, Fry, Heuer, Cordero, Foster, Johnson, FA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 RF Joc Pederson, LHP Cole Hamels...On top of McCann, Colome, Leury, and Marshall Flier on Kluber would be worth it to me as well if cheap Liam Hendricks would be an awesome, but better ways to spend $, what a talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:10 AM, CeaseAndExist said: Colas is a FV 35 on Fangraphs. He's not even considered at the level of guys like Basabe and Rutherford. No problem signing him but he might not even reach MLB, so I wouldn't make any plans around him Expand Fangraphs is routinely outdated with their prospect rankings and it appears that Colas has gotten back into elite athletic shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Looking at how good Detwiler was this past season and saw his previous stats... How was he still in the league? wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:10 AM, CeaseAndExist said: Colas is a FV 35 on Fangraphs. He's not even considered at the level of guys like Basabe and Rutherford. No problem signing him but he might not even reach MLB, so I wouldn't make any plans around him Expand With his new reported speed, eg. times to first or sprint speed and minus 30 pounds, it's a far different calculation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Bauer. He fits too perfectly with his only wanting a short deal and the timing of our cores raises. Im also good with getting only one SP, as long as theyre a stud. Let cease, kopech, dunning, and crochet (if healthy) battle for the last two rotation spots. We should already have ozuna and unfortunately i think his price has gone up. I think a trade makes the most sense here. Im intrigued by benitendi and would be curious if collins plus a mid tier prospect could get it done. Both teams selling low. Nimmo would be preferred but i cant think of what sort of package of prospects would get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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