bmags Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: He was just hired and DUI charges the day beforehand wasn't enough to get him fired. Don’t worry, he’s also coming off a front office run that became the laughingstock of the league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: I think Madrigal easily destroys those numbers for league minimum. I know you’re saying “IF they trade Madrigal”, but maybe this just proves that keeping Madrigal is a super no-brainer? I have no idea why they would look into Wong if they aren't planning on trading Madrigal. And unless you can really get a nice piece back I'm not sure why you need to trade him. I think the Sox are fine with Madrigal at 2B. I am not sure that 2B/9 hitter is an area they need to devote resources to when they have such a big hole in RF and in the rotation, and are also in need of a back end arm in their pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: or cut him off at the knees. What a dumb post 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, YourWhatHurts said: I have no idea why they would look into Wong if they aren't planning on trading Madrigal. And unless you can really get a nice piece back I'm not sure why you need to trade him. I think the Sox are fine with Madrigal at 2B. I am not sure that 2B/9 hitter is an area they need to devote resources to when they have such a big hole in RF and in the rotation, and are also in need of a back end arm in their pen. If the Sox aren’t going to spend on a great starter (they should but we know how they work), who else can they possibly trade for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, YourWhatHurts said: I have no idea why they would look into Wong if they aren't planning on trading Madrigal. And unless you can really get a nice piece back I'm not sure why you need to trade him. I think the Sox are fine with Madrigal at 2B. I am not sure that 2B/9 hitter is an area they need to devote resources to when they have such a big hole in RF and in the rotation, and are also in need of a back end arm in their pen. Because they can spend on RF and use Madrigal in a trade to get some pitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I think Reinsdorf is getting a little tired of throwing a bunch of money at free agents and getting nothing in return. Well there’s very little margin for error when the frugal owner operates as he does. Doesn’t play at top of free agent market, doesn’t spend on 16 year old international talent, doesn’t spend money on prep players in round 1, etc. Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf. Nobody should feel bad for him. 4 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: I have no idea why they would look into Wong if they aren't planning on trading Madrigal. And unless you can really get a nice piece back I'm not sure why you need to trade him. I think the Sox are fine with Madrigal at 2B. I am not sure that 2B/9 hitter is an area they need to devote resources to when they have such a big hole in RF and in the rotation, and are also in need of a back end arm in their pen. Yea. I mean if they want to trade him for a good pitcher and then sign Lemehieu, you know, no complaints here. Sox have plenty of options for sure. I think a big signing and a big trade puts them in a good spot, no matter who is involved 400 hits between SS & 2B? Mercy Edited November 15, 2020 by Jerksticks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Well there’s very little margin for error when the frugal owner operates as he does. Doesn’t play at top of free agent market, doesn’t spend on 16 year old international talent, doesn’t spend money on prep players in round 1, etc. Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf. Nobody should feel bad for him. Where did I say I feel bad for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Part of the dorf's "getting nothing in return" stems from his philosophies on players earning their salaries or whatever, e.g. his GM makes a mistake and signs a Dunn or a Linebrink and we have to see these guys play like shit until finally another team is willing to take the last 0.5 to 1.0 seasons of their deals off of our hands. Maybe if he dumped some shitty FA signings earlier like other teams do and put just a warm body in their places here and there he would have seen cumulatively better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 ^I will add it was nice to see the Sox cut Herrera. But then they also fucked their selves twice as bad as that move did them good by dumping INTL slot money in exchange for saving a few dollars on Wellington's and Jones' buyouts. And it was also goo that they cut Danks but they still let that train ride on too long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Cry more What am I crying about? I just find your dumb takes humorous. Literally, you are glorifying the owner of the team “cutting of the knees” of his GM when he could just fire him if he was truly that incompetent. Plus you somehow think giving 76 year old Tony La Russa personnel power is a good thing. Thank god you are only connected to scouts and none of the people that actually make decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Where did I say I feel bad for him? You didn’t. The point is every team makes mistakes in free agency. If the owner doesn’t like Grandal though, he’s the issue. One of the best players at his position in the sport. I’ll never understand the hate. The biggest issue with the White Sox has been and always will be Jerry Reinsdorf. That was my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Part of the dorf's "getting nothing in return" stems from his philosophies on players earning their salaries or whatever, e.g. his GM makes a mistake and signs a Dunn or a Linebrink and we have to see these guys play like shit until finally another team is willing to take the last 0.5 to 1.0 seasons of their deals off of our hands. Maybe if he dumped some shitty FA signings earlier like other teams do and put just a warm body in their places here and there he would have seen cumulatively better results. His issue is being dumb as hell about what types of risk are acceptable. As well as handicapping his org constantly in order to be in better bargaining positions for CBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: You didn’t. The point is every team makes mistakes in free agency. If the owner doesn’t like Grandal though, he’s the issue. One of the best players at his position in the sport. I’ll never understand the hate. The biggest issue with the White Sox has been and always will be Jerry Reinsdorf. That was my point. I agree with the latter and it's more than just the owner with the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What am I crying about? I just find your dumb takes humorous. Literally, you are glorifying the owner of the team “cutting of the knees” of his GM when he could just fire him if he was truly that incompetent. Plus you somehow think giving 76 year old Tony La Russa personnel power is a good thing. Thank god you are only connected to scouts and none of the people that actually make decisions. Fangirl gonna fangirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Guys lets get some juicy rumors going instead of this boring dialogue i come here for the juice but all im getting is the sweat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Sox should approach the Red Sox about Grandal + Lopez + 1-2 small pieces for Vazquez + Eovaldi. Money should be pretty close. Vazquez is an upgrade over Grandal and Eovaldi becomes the 5th starter/swingman. At least he should be able to split the #5 slot with Kopech this year and maybe with Crochet next year. I bet the Red Sox want out of that money. Edited November 15, 2020 by YourWhatHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Sox should approach the Red Sox about Grandal + Lopez + 1-2 small pieces for Vazquez + Eovaldi. Money should be pretty close. Vazquez is an upgrade over Grandal and Eovaldi becomes the 5th starter/swingman. At least he should be able to split the #5 slot with Kopech this year and maybe with Crochet next year. I bet the Red Sox want out of that money. In what world is Christian Vazquez better than Grandal? I’m gonna need this explained to me. That’s absurd. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Sox should approach the Red Sox about Grandal + Lopez + 1-2 small pieces for Vazquez + Eovaldi. Money should be pretty close. Vazquez is an upgrade over Grandal and Eovaldi becomes the 5th starter/swingman. At least he should be able to split the #5 slot with Kopech this year and maybe with Crochet next year. I bet the Red Sox want out of that money. What? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Aside from that, good trade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Sox should approach the Red Sox about Grandal + Lopez + 1-2 small pieces for Vazquez + Eovaldi. Money should be pretty close. Vazquez is an upgrade over Grandal and Eovaldi becomes the 5th starter/swingman. At least he should be able to split the #5 slot with Kopech this year and maybe with Crochet next year. I bet the Red Sox want out of that money. Christian Vazquez is not, and never has been, better than Yasmani Grandal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Christian Vazquez is not, and never has been, better than Yasmani Grandal. And never will be 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Going off of my last posted idea: Grandal + Lopez + lower prospect for Vazquez + Eovaldi --> add a small amount of money only Keuchel + Dunning + Marshall for Darvish ---> keep money about the same; Cubs get to try to contend with a deeper rotation & bullpen Madrigal + Thompson + Adolfo for Scherzer + cash Sign Springer Sign Colome or someone else for about $6-7M Rotation: Scherzer, Giolito, Darvish, Cease, Eovaldi & Kopech Bullpen: FA, Bummer, Heuer in the back, Crochet gets added later for the postseason run C Vazquez 1B/DH Abreu 1B/DH Vaughn 2B Mendick / FA SS Anderson 3B Moncada LF Eloy CF Robert RF Springer Bench: Collins C, Leury UT, Mendick IF, Engel OF Edited November 15, 2020 by YourWhatHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: In what world is Christian Vazquez better than Grandal? I’m gonna need this explained to me. That’s absurd. I get Grandal can be frustrating player at times, but the hate he gets on this board is astounding at times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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