Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The White Sox could get Nathan Eovaldi for a C prospect if they took the contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I know I don't come on this board much anymore, but is there really a subset of fans that don't like Grandal? I'm so confused. He's a slam dunk top 3 catcher in the game. How is this a real thing? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Going off of my last posted idea: Grandal + Lopez + lower prospect for Vazquez + Eovaldi --> add a small amount of money only Keuchel + Dunning + Marshall for Darvish ---> keep money about the same; Cubs get to try to contend with a deeper rotation & bullpen Madrigal + Thompson + Adolfo for Scherzer + cash Sign Springer Sign Colome or someone else for about $6-7M Rotation: Scherzer, Giolito, Darvish, Cease, Eovaldi & Kopech Bullpen: FA, Bummer, Heuer in the back, Crochet gets added later for the postseason run C Vazquez 1B/DH Abreu 1B/DH Vaughn 2B Madrigal SS Anderson 3B Moncada LF Eloy CF Robert RF Springer Bench: Collins C, Leury UT, Mendick IF, Engel OF You traded Madrigal to Washington. is the new Madrigal taller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Going off of my last posted idea: Grandal + Lopez + lower prospect for Vazquez + Eovaldi --> add a small amount of money only Keuchel + Dunning + Marshall for Darvish ---> keep money about the same; Cubs get to try to contend with a deeper rotation & bullpen Madrigal + Thompson + Adolfo for Scherzer + cash Sign Springer Sign Colome or someone else for about $6-7M Rotation: Scherzer, Giolito, Darvish, Cease, Eovaldi & Kopech Bullpen: FA, Bummer, Heuer in the back, Crochet gets added later for the postseason run C Vazquez 1B/DH Abreu 1B/DH Vaughn 2B Madrigal SS Anderson 3B Moncada LF Eloy CF Robert RF Springer Bench: Collins C, Leury UT, Mendick IF, Engel OF Who's playing 2B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 You people do not obviously consider defense at all. And offensively it's already pretty close. Vazquez is way better than Grandal. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I know I don't come on this board much anymore, but is there really a subset of fans that don't like Grandal? I'm so confused. He's a slam dunk top 3 catcher in the game. How is this a real thing? It's weird man, I don't get it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: Who's playing 2B? Good catch. Mendick or a signing in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I know I don't come on this board much anymore, but is there really a subset of fans that don't like Grandal? I'm so confused. He's a slam dunk top 3 catcher in the game. How is this a real thing? 1. The things he does well often seem to be hard to notice. 2. The mistakes he makes wind up being very, very big ones. 3. There is a lot of talk on here by the insiders suggesting that the subset of people who don't like Grandal includes the pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Is one of them a catcher and now they're desparetely trying to resign a.....catcher? Even if they are trying to resign McCann, how does that contradict what I said?You said JR is tired of throwing money at free agents and getting nothing in return. Well, they threw money at Grandal and got exactly what they paid for. They also threw money at Kuechel and got more than most people expected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: You traded Madrigal to Washington. is the new Madrigal taller? I'm hoping the Nats will rebuild and are looking to get better value than a draft pick. Don't forget about Thompson also. Admittedly Madrigal isn't a Verdugo-like centerpiece either. Other teams could beat this. I just don't want to trade Cease or Kopech and I still want Scherzer. I think a Scherzer-Giolito-Darvish top 3 would be pretty nice especially if we still have Cease, Kopech, Crochet, Kelly and Stiever in the cupboard after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The White Sox could get Nathan Eovaldi for a C prospect if they took the contract Yeah but we don't want to do that. I wouldn't take on that $17M or whatever without also sending salary out the door and improving in another area. You can't bet on him pitching a full season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 1. The things he does well often seem to be hard to notice. 2. The mistakes he makes wind up being very, very big ones. 3. There is a lot of talk on here by the insiders suggesting that the subset of people who don't like Grandal includes the pitching staff. Amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Who's playing 2B? Madrigal like he has in the lineup lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Madrigal like he has in the lineup lol. I fixed it now. But I can't edit yall posts unless you PM me your credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Madrigal like he has in the lineup lol. Yeah he had him traded above so wanted to see what the actual plan was for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. I can’t 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I can’t I can't either 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. The Sox aren’t trading Grandal. He is one of the best catchers in the game and if we trade him, you can kiss our chances goodbye for signing any top free agents. Edited November 15, 2020 by maloney.adam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 After reading the past couple pages of this thread, maybe Harold is Tony La Russa. Would be a wild turn of events! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I have said this for years and I still say it. Grandal is the #1 catcher in the game. I like him over realmuto 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 49 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 1. The things he does well often seem to be hard to notice. 2. The mistakes he makes wind up being very, very big ones. 3. There is a lot of talk on here by the insiders suggesting that the subset of people who don't like Grandal includes the pitching staff. There is a lot of talk from one insider. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. I can't take any analysis seriously when they spell catcher wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. Vazquez’s best offensive season was in a 60 game pandemic fueled season in which he put up a wRC+ of 115. Meanwhile, Grandal has a career wRC+ of 118 across nine seasons. Saying this is all about framing is beyond fucking ridiculous. Edited November 15, 2020 by Chicago White Sox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway. YourWhatHurts? My head. 3 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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