AJ Hinch: does it matter to you that he cheated?

[poppysox]

The qualifiers that RH stated eliminate just about everyone not named Cora or Hinch.  Who are the available managers with recent postseason success?  My first choice would have been Jirschele but he was already eliminated by the RH remarks.  I think we better get comfortable with Hinch.

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, poppysox said:

The qualifiers that RH stated eliminate just about everyone not named Cora or Hinch.  Who are the available managers with recent postseason success?  My first choice would have been Jirschele but he was already eliminated by the RH remarks.  I think we better get comfortable with Hinch.

He did not limit this to managers.

[poppysox]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He did not limit this to managers.

It was implied.

[Kyyle23]

16 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

 I'm out of the loop, didn't even know about that

that's hilarious ?

I mean, it just goes to show that people fuck up bigtime and fans forget.   If Hinch were hired I wouldn't necessarily be proud, but at the same time Hinch has done pretty well with up and coming teams and I don't think all of that success was directly related to the cheating.

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, poppysox said:

It was implied.

It wasn't.  He flat out said they weren't limited to just managers.

[fathom]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It wasn't.  He flat out said they weren't limited to just managers.

Quatroro and Espada probably main two bench coaches involved 

[ron883]

6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I mean, it just goes to show that people fuck up bigtime and fans forget.   If Hinch were hired I wouldn't necessarily be proud, but at the same time Hinch has done pretty well with up and coming teams and I don't think all of that success was directly related to the cheating.

You don't remember the hoards of Patriots fans demanding that Robert Kraft vacate the titles won under notorious cheater Bill Belichick?

[harkness99]

Do I like the cheating scandle? No

Do I really care that much.. no... because while everyone may be furious at Hinch - Cheating is rampant in most sports.

 

So I'd most likley be a hypocrite due to ignorance If I stomped my foot and said no.

[Kyyle23]

1 minute ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

You don't remember the hoards of Patriots fans demanding that Robert Kraft vacate the titles won under notorious cheater Bill Belichick?

That's actually a really good example.  Of course, he barely was punished compared to Hinch

[A-Train to 35th]

1 hour ago, SonofaRoache said:

Hiring Hinch would give the Sox a ton of positive attention. It is a headlining signing and one that elevates us to that next level in most people's minds. 

Not sure it would all be positive, but it would certainly bring attention to the Sox.  Not sure where I stand on this because he cheated...actually he cheated that should be enough that nobody should hire him....but someone will, and eventually win it all.

[harkness99]

Just now, Kyyle23 said:

That's actually a really good example.  Of course, he barely was punished compared to Hinch

Bill Belecheat also still widely considered the best nfl coach of all time... even with everything else.

[Capital G]

None of the options. 

It'd bother me slightly but I'd get over it real quick if we played well under him. 

[ron883]

19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

That's actually a really good example.  Of course, he barely was punished compared to Hinch

Definitely. Most still classify Belichick as the GOAT. None of those Patriots fans give a damn about the cheating. Nobody has ignorea Brady's titles from certain years. Winning cures all. If Hinch signs and wins a championship here, all the self righteous folk will be watching and celebrating just as much as the others.

[The Beast]

3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I would prefer that this was a reply free poll.  I would just like to see the votes

My vote should be:

Yes, it bothers me somewhat, but I think he is among the most qualified for the job and towards meeting the goal of taking the team to the next level.

[Two-Gun Pete]

1 hour ago, poppysox said:

The qualifiers that RH stated eliminate just about everyone not named Cora or Hinch.  Who are the available managers with recent postseason success?  My first choice would have been Jirschele but he was already eliminated by the RH remarks.  I think we better get comfortable with Hinch.

As I read Hahn's comments, I think it also could include Alomar as well.  At least, I would hope so.

[poppysox]

1 minute ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

As I read Hahn's comments, I think it also could include Alomar as well.  At least, I would hope so.

I wish there was a way to get Alomar's boss (Francona).

[Two-Gun Pete]

So, there's this:

Hinch talking shyte while he knew they were cheating

 

Hinch and his supporters claim it was just "A" mistake, but he knew about the cheating, and was either:

1. Too weak,

2. Complicit,

3. Too stupid to stop it.

 

All that aside, what proof is there that he or Cora are any good at managing? I mean, without the benefit of rampant cheating?

 

Also if years and years of being too weak, too complicit, or too stupid to stop the cheating is just "A" mistake, is Ozzie leaving the SOX the way he did also just "A" mistake? Could Ozzie just say "sorry," and all is forgiven?

Edited October 13, 2020 by Two-Gun Pete

[Jack Parkman]

29 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Definitely. Most still classify Belichick as the GOAT. None of those Patriots fans give a damn about the cheating. Nobody has ignorea Brady's titles from certain years. Winning cures all. If Hinch signs and wins a championship here, all the self righteous folk will be watching and celebrating just as much as the others.

Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat

I despise both Brady and Belichick.....and I don't think they're legit. In fact both should have been banned from the sport long ago. 

The "took a OTC supplement and didn't do my homework" excuse for testing positive for roids is more believable than any excuse Hinch and Cora have. 

 

This is a huge scandal. Its Black Sox level shit. 

If they're not going to lay down the hammer on these groups, then let Pete Rose, Bonds et al in the HOF, posthumously elect 1919 White Sox to the HOF and allow gambling, because they're lying about caring about the integrity of the game. 

I'm ok giving people a second chance, but if baseball has the audacity to keep players like Pete Rose and Barry Bonds out of the HOF, and don't permawhack these guys AND the players involved, then they need to drop the facade and quit pretending they actually care about the integrity of the game. 

Either you care about the integrity of the game or you don't. 

 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Jack Parkman

[Two-Gun Pete]

54 minutes ago, poppysox said:

It was implied.

Actually, it wasnt:

 

What Hahn said

..."The ideal candidate will be someone who has experience in a championship organization in recent years," Hahn said, per USA TODAY's Bob Nightengale."

 

That could mean experience as a player, a coach, a manager, a front office person, a mascot, who knows?

 

it does include two candidates who have no winning bona fides without cheating. But it could also include others as well.

[Heads22]

I really don't care as much as most. I think most organizations "cheat" in some way. My concern is more about how it would pertain to how he would be taken in the clubhouse.

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Actually, it wasnt:

 

What Hahn said

..."The ideal candidate will be someone who has experience in a championship organization in recent years," Hahn said, per USA TODAY's Bob Nightengale."

 

That could mean experience as a player, a coach, a manager, a front office person, a mascot, who knows?

 

it does include two candidates who have no winning bona fides without cheating. But it could also include others as well.

He clarified later that he wasn't talking about just managers.

[bmags]

Has anyone made the ned yost joke yet?

[Sox80]

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

That's actually a really good example.  Of course, he barely was punished compared to Hinch

And he's done it numerous times as well.  

[ron883]

17 minutes ago, bmags said:

Has anyone made the ned yost joke yet?

Better believe it

[ron883]

42 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat

I despise both Brady and Belichick.....and I don't think they're legit. In fact both should have been banned from the sport long ago. 

The "took a OTC supplement and didn't do my homework" excuse for testing positive for roids is more believable than any excuse Hinch and Cora have. 

 

This is a huge scandal. Its Black Sox level shit. 

If they're not going to lay down the hammer on these groups, then let Pete Rose, Bonds et al in the HOF, posthumously elect 1919 White Sox to the HOF and allow gambling, because they're lying about caring about the integrity of the game. 

I'm ok giving people a second chance, but if baseball has the audacity to keep players like Pete Rose and Barry Bonds out of the HOF, and don't permawhack these guys AND the players involved, then they need to drop the facade and quit pretending they actually care about the integrity of the game. 

Either you care about the integrity of the game or you don't. 

 

What about Dallas? He was a leader on the team and complicit with it. Did you not want him on the White Sox?