bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S_GkRq9r-NZaYnyAKsUfEFEg0Lm3BGzF1B5qUVxa-iY/edit?usp=sharing It's baaaaack. Go to sheets, copy and save under your own name. Notes: - Salary estimates were really hard this year, I highly recommend picking your own. For same reason I didn't even bother with years so it just adds your AAV. SP especially, not sure if those avg guys still get 10 mill this year. - Didn't have good trades to pre-set, so it's up to you - Last year someone told me a good number to put the pre-arb folks under, I kept that but not sure if it is much higher this year? - The arb estimates from MLBTR this year were weird because they had 3 models, I went with the first, but it seemed pretty low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 This is Bauer version I imagine my Calhoun trade is a fan-trade but I wasn't really sure. I gave up Pilkington and Adolfo. Dbacks seemed to be hoarding cash so taking on the 8 mill seemed like a decent play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 12:44 PM, bmags said: This is Bauer version Expand This is pretty similar to my SoxMachine offseason plan which had Bauer + Calhoun as key additions plus Kela for the pen, Peacock as a swingman, and Marwin Gonzalez as a UT guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 12:47 PM, Chicago White Sox said: This is pretty similar to my SoxMachine offseason plan which had Bauer + Calhoun as key additions plus Kela for the pen, Peacock as a swingman, and Marwin Gonzalez as a UT guy. Expand Did you decline Leury's option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 12:49 PM, bmags said: Did you decline Leury's option? Expand I did and gave that $3.5M to Marwin. Not sure if that’s feasible or not, but between a down year in 2020, his past connection to Hinch (my targeted manager), and economic uncertainty I felt it was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 2:39 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I did and gave that $3.5M to Marwin. Not sure if that’s feasible or not, but between a down year in 2020, his past connection to Hinch (my targeted manager), and economic uncertainty I felt it was possible. Expand It probably is honestly, and Marwin is definitely more durable and passable in infield than Leury. I could see two equally plausible scenarios. - The top FAs get gobbled up quick to reasonably similar deals to before, but then all other mid-level/low-level FAs are put on ice and start taking really low deals in Jan/Feb. - The mid-level guys jump at first available deals, while top FAs hold out for months and possibly benefit at greater fidelity into 2021 fidelity on attendance (or vice versa, gamble and are crushed by bad news there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 4:11 PM, bmags said: It probably is honestly, and Marwin is definitely more durable and passable in infield than Leury. I could see two equally plausible scenarios. - The top FAs get gobbled up quick to reasonably similar deals to before, but then all other mid-level/low-level FAs are put on ice and start taking really low deals in Jan/Feb. - The mid-level guys jump at first available deals, while top FAs hold out for months and possibly benefit at greater fidelity into 2021 fidelity on attendance (or vice versa, gamble and are crushed by bad news there) Expand I get the feeling that if you don't get your money early this winter, you don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 don't care going to do this all day Medium-sized pitching approach + clint frazier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 8:52 PM, bmags said: don't care going to do this all day Medium-sized pitching approach + clint frazier Expand Whatda you giving up for Clint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 8:52 PM, bmags said: don't care going to do this all day Medium-sized pitching approach + clint frazier Expand What are you giving up for Frazier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:06 PM, hi8is said: Whatda you giving up for Clint? Expand oh yeah sorry. I did stiever + thompson. I'm really not sure what he costs tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCommish Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I listened to Garfiens Soxtalk podcast with their 3 FA Signings they want, they discussed potentially signing Jackie Bradley Jr for RF. I kind of like this idea. He would for sure take a 1 year deal. He would provide GREAT defense in RF and let's be honest we don't NEED huge production out of RF because they will be batting 8th! I'd rather trade defense since we have Eloy in LF. Robert and Bradley patrolling 4/5ths of our OF would be great. I think it takes more than 23M to get Bauer, but I think we should pay WHATEVER it takes, and even over pay if he would be willing to sign a 1 year deal. That way we have no long high contract on a pitcher and if he fails, it's not hurting our salary for 2022 and beyond. I would even go as far as 35M for 2021 and even put a team option of 35M for 2022. That way if he's great, we keep him and pay him a crazy salary and we have a chance to win the WS. No doubt in my mind if we just added Bauer, we would be favorites in the AL Central and potentially WS with our offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:13 PM, bmags said: oh yeah sorry. I did stiever + thompson. I'm really not sure what he costs tbh. Expand The attractiveness to frazier is the re-allocation of money to exclusively pitching is very attractive this year. Which means yanks could get a haul unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:23 PM, bmags said: The attractiveness to frazier is the re-allocation of money to exclusively pitching is very attractive this year. Which means yanks could get a haul unfortunately. Expand Didn’t Frazier come over for Andrew Miller? I know this years deadline the Indians offered Clevenger for him and the Rangers Lynn... Yankees obviously denied both of those opportunities. So his cost will be substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:34 PM, hi8is said: Didn’t Frazier come over for Andrew Miller? I know this years deadline the Indians offered Clevenger for him and the Rangers Lynn... Yankees obviously denied both of those opportunities. So his cost will be substantial. Expand I think with the financial losses the teams are looking at, cost controlled players will see expensive prices on the trade market. I think prospects will also be worth more than usual. It will be the guys with bigger and/or longer term contracts that will give the best bargains this winter on the trade market. If the Sox are willing to take on dollars, this could be a big winter for them. I do hope with their low payroll, they will try to add, though obviously not nearly as much as they would have under normal circumstances. Maybe taking on a Max Scherzer from Washington? Is Jake Arrieta done? Maybe a Ryu from the Jays? Eovaldi from Boston? Not sure what teams need to cut the most matches up with what pitchers could be moved, but those are some off of the top of my head ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: I think with the financial losses the teams are looking at, cost controlled players will see expensive prices on the trade market. I think prospects will also be worth more than usual. It will be the guys with bigger and/or longer term contracts that will give the best bargains this winter on the trade market. If the Sox are willing to take on dollars, this could be a big winter for them. I do hope with their low payroll, they will try to add, though obviously not nearly as much as they would have under normal circumstances. Maybe taking on a Max Scherzer from Washington? Is Jake Arrieta done? Maybe a Ryu from the Jays? Eovaldi from Boston? Not sure what teams need to cut the most matches up with what pitchers could be moved, but those are some off of the top of my head ideas. Expand It’ll be a very interesting offseason in unprecedented unpredictable ways, certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:34 PM, hi8is said: Didn’t Frazier come over for Andrew Miller? I know this years deadline the Indians offered Clevenger for him and the Rangers Lynn... Yankees obviously denied both of those opportunities. So his cost will be substantial. Expand Where did you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: I think with the financial losses the teams are looking at, cost controlled players will see expensive prices on the trade market. I think prospects will also be worth more than usual. It will be the guys with bigger and/or longer term contracts that will give the best bargains this winter on the trade market. If the Sox are willing to take on dollars, this could be a big winter for them. I do hope with their low payroll, they will try to add, though obviously not nearly as much as they would have under normal circumstances. Maybe taking on a Max Scherzer from Washington? Is Jake Arrieta done? Maybe a Ryu from the Jays? Eovaldi from Boston? Not sure what teams need to cut the most matches up with what pitchers could be moved, but those are some off of the top of my head ideas. Expand Arrietta is donezo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:12 PM, bmags said: Where did you see that? Expand https://www.google.com/amp/s/factoryofsadness.co/2020/09/05/trade-rumors-cleveland-indians-whiffed-clint-frazer/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I wonder what the Sox offer was for Clevinger. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:28 PM, hi8is said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/factoryofsadness.co/2020/09/05/trade-rumors-cleveland-indians-whiffed-clint-frazer/amp/ Expand Well that wasn’t a 1 for 1, deivi Garcia is their #1 prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:45 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: I wonder what the Sox offer was for Clevinger. ? Expand Nomar Mazara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:53 PM, bmags said: Well that wasn’t a 1 for 1, deivi Garcia is their #1 prospect Expand Good eye, headline reader me didn’t catch that important detail. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 11:01 PM, hi8is said: Good eye, headline reader me didn’t catch that important detail. ? Expand I think one piece is a realistic deal needs to be more 2021 ready for them. Maybe a 3 team deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 12:47 PM, Chicago White Sox said: This is pretty similar to my SoxMachine offseason plan which had Bauer + Calhoun as key additions plus Kela for the pen, Peacock as a swingman, and Marwin Gonzalez as a UT guy. Expand Well what in the hell, I haven't done my offseason plan yet, but I had mentioned on Twitter that Calhoun and Kela was additions for me as well. How did so many of us target Cole Calhoun? Maybe he is this off-seasons Brandon Nimmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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