southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Texsox said: We've had liberal protestors attack police. Liberal protestors tried to stop the Democratic National Convention in Chicago and attacked the police. What did Democratic elected officials do? How many resigned? How many were held accountable as you suggest? I have faith in America and Americans. This part of our society has been always been with us. Those 70,000,000 Americans who voted for the Republican candidate aren't going away or suddenly deciding that a more liberal policy is the way to go. We've survived violent protests before and we will survive again. Despite the hyperbole one violent act isn't bringing down our democracy. There is one big difference you are missing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: There is one big difference you are missing here. I realize that. There were many more protestors in Chicago and the anti war protests continued all across America. Also, today we have far left leaning protesters who want to defund the police leaving Americans defenseless from the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Texsox said: We've had liberal protestors attack police. Liberal protestors tried to stop the Democratic National Convention in Chicago and attacked the police. What did Democratic elected officials do? How many resigned? How many were held accountable as you suggest? I have faith in America and Americans. This part of our society has been always been with us. Those 70,000,000 Americans who voted for the Republican candidate aren't going away or suddenly deciding that a more liberal policy is the way to go. We've survived violent protests before and we will survive again. Despite the hyperbole one violent act isn't bringing down our democracy. It wasn't a single act, it didn't end Wednesday, and it's shameful that you're comparing fighting for civil rights and against war to a fascist insurrection. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: It wasn't a single act, it didn't end Wednesday, and it's shameful that you're comparing fighting for civil rights and against war to a fascist insurrection. People were fighting for what they believe in and what they believe is best for America. Other Americans believed the opposite. We survived just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Texsox said: People were fighting for what they believe in and what they believe is best for America. Other Americans believed the opposite. We survived just fine. Boy, love to both-sides a fascist attempt to lynch Congress and the Vice President and overthrow the federal government as a difference of opinion. This is one of the worst takes ever posted on this site. "The Nazis just wanted what they thought was best for Germany, others disagreed!" This didn't start Wednesday. This has been building for years. There were numerous attacks on state capitols last year. There was a plot to murder the Governor of Michigan. Right wing extremist violence has been rising for years. They are planning for more in the coming weeks. This will not be ending, especially if there are not serious consequences for the leaders and enablers of this movement. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, Texsox said: We've had liberal protestors attack police. Liberal protestors tried to stop the Democratic National Convention in Chicago and attacked the police. What did Democratic elected officials do? How many resigned? How many were held accountable as you suggest? I have faith in America and Americans. This part of our society has been always been with us. Those 70,000,000 Americans who voted for the Republican candidate aren't going away or suddenly deciding that a more liberal policy is the way to go. We've survived violent protests before and we will survive again. Despite the hyperbole one violent act isn't bringing down our democracy. Chicago 68 was a police riot in the park. No one stormed the convention. The protesters were overwhelmed. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Back to two sides, again. The Twitter ban might work over the short term, but the polarization is not going to simply melt away before 2024. In fact, the disparity between lower middle class and poor whites and the 1% is only going to be exacerbated by the Covid-19 wealth redistribution which is still ongoing. And the constant buzzword will be socialism despite virtually nobody calling Trump that for adding nearly $6 trillion to the deficit. Socialism for Iowa farmers and market intervention in the form of subsidies to offset the trade war were perfectly fine with Trump/Ernst voters there. It's only socialism when those benefits go to black and brown people, illegal immigrants/DACA recipients or even women. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Liberals are going to destroy America and turn us into a socialist state!! Fascist conservatives are going to overthrow the government!! I believe we'll be fine and we'll survive this crisis just fine. You think perhaps a civil war? Massive uprisings across America involving millions of people? Are you fearing those 70,000,000 Trump voters against the 75,000,000 Biden voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 @Texsox I am struggling to believe you actually know what happened in 1968 but yes Daley should have resigned for the terror he wrought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Texsox said: People were fighting for what they believe in and what they believe is best for America. Other Americans believed the opposite. We survived just fine. I have pretty much never heard that said about BLM or Antifa in the last 4-5 years. Portland riots pretty much scared Greg off the ''internets." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Texsox said: Liberals are going to destroy America and turn us into a socialist state!! Fascist conservatives are going to overthrow the government!! I believe we'll be fine and we'll survive this crisis just fine. You think perhaps a civil war? Massive uprisings across America involving millions of people? Are you fearing those 70,000,000 Trump voters against the 75,000,000 Biden voters? Lol yes we are so hysterical! Fascist conservatives haven’t tried to overthrow the government in like 4 days! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Texsox said: Liberals are going to destroy America and turn us into a socialist state!! Fascist conservatives are going to overthrow the government!! I believe we'll be fine and we'll survive this crisis just fine. You think perhaps a civil war? Massive uprisings across America involving millions of people? Are you fearing those 70,000,000 Trump voters against the 75,000,000 Biden voters? Buddy, one of those is a right wing fever dream driven by propaganda The other is also a right wing fever dream driven by propaganda that resulted in a violent attack after a year of violent attacks, this one directly threatening the lives of Congress and the Vice president. Please tell me you're just trolling, because this take is really something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, bmags said: Lol yes we are so hysterical! Fascist conservatives haven’t tried to overthrow the government in like 4 days! They are openly planning for violence across the country on January 17th. The US Capitol and every state capitol. Right wing terrorism has been a growing threat for years, but maybe if we ignore it it'll go away. Edited January 10, 2021 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Texsox, if VP Pence was taken hostage or, God forbid, murdered/lynched...would we still be saying, well, what about that Bernie Sanders fanatic who shot up the Republican softball game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Boy, love to both-sides a fascist attempt to lynch Congress and the Vice President and overthrow the federal government as a difference of opinion. This is one of the worst takes ever posted on this site. "The Nazis just wanted what they thought was best for Germany, others disagreed!" This didn't start Wednesday. This has been building for years. There were numerous attacks on state capitols last year. There was a plot to murder the Governor of Michigan. Right wing extremist violence has been rising for years. They are planning for more in the coming weeks. This will not be ending, especially if there are not serious consequences for the leaders and enablers of this movement. Great analogy. So how many Americans are agreeing with our modern day "Nazis"? How many Americans do you believe will act and continue this? A million? Ten million? All 70,000,000 Trump voters? We'll survive, but if you are worried what weapons do you own? How are you planning on protecting yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, bmags said: Lol yes we are so hysterical! Fascist conservatives haven’t tried to overthrow the government in like 4 days! LOL. How close did they actually come to overthrowing anything? How many Americans supported their actions? The country hasn't lost our collective minds. But hey, build that backyard bunker and start stockpiling guns and ammo, I guess your going to need it when millions of American fascists mount a takeover attempt. LMAO that you think they were anywhere close to overthrowing the government. You need to stop watching reruns of Designated Survivor. Greg would be so proud of y'all. Folks labeled him crazy when he made these same predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, StrangeSox said: There's video on reddit of the trumpist fasc mob dragging Sicknick out of the Capitol and beating him to death. You don't sit around hoping that enough Republicans eventually do the right thing when a majority of the House GOP delegation backed this coup and a significant number of senators did as well, not to mention at the state and various GOP org levels. They have already had their chances to step up, and they have failed. Everyone who signed on to this needs to be removed from power, and many should be in prison. Trump called for "second amendment solutions" more than four years ago. Almost the entire GOP has stood behind and enabled him in the years since. Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Texsox, if VP Pence was taken hostage or, God forbid, murdered/lynched...would we still be saying, well, what about that Bernie Sanders fanatic who shot up the Republican softball game? What if instead of five people dying they planted a bomb and 168 people died in a right wing anti government attack? That was Oklahoma City when domestic terrorists attacked a federal building. Are those federal workers somehow worth less than elected officials? And it has continued. It continued from president to president. We've been facing this crisis for a very long time and sadly we will continue to face this crisis. Anti government types have been around since the government was founded. Each time we battled back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 As some here are proving, I don't think a lot of people fully grasp how close we were to members of Congress being held hostage and possibly executed in the US Capitol building. The sitting POTUS actively encouraged this to happen. Closing your eyes and saying it'll all be fine is exactly how we got here, why would continue doing that lead to it getting better? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Texsox said: What if instead of five people dying they planted a bomb and 168 people died in a right wing anti government attack? That was Oklahoma City when domestic terrorists attacked a federal building. Are those federal workers somehow worth less than elected officials? And it has continued. It continued from president to president. We've been facing this crisis for a very long time and sadly we will continue to face this crisis. Anti government types have been around since the government was founded. Each time we battled back. What happened Wednesday wasn't just a violent mob--it was a violent mob attempting to subvert election results. Find another example of that and then come back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said: As some here are proving, I don't think a lot of people fully grasp how close we were to members of Congress being held hostage and possibly executed in the US Capitol building. The sitting POTUS actively encouraged this to happen. Closing your eyes and saying it'll all be fine is exactly how we got here, why would continue doing that lead to it getting better? I grasp it. It was close to being one of the biggest acts of terror on our soil. Would it have been worse than the Oklahoma City Bombing? We survived that. But perhaps because those 168 souls were just federal employees and children, it wouldn't have been as bad? In less than two weeks Biden will be President. The Dems will control both houses. I'm very optimistic about our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: What happened Wednesday wasn't just a violent mob--it was a violent mob attempting to subvert election results. Find another example of that and then come back. And we survived. Are you suggesting that next time they might be successful in subverting election results? How do you see a violent mob like that being successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Texsox said: LOL. How close did they actually come to overthrowing anything? How many Americans supported their actions? The country hasn't lost our collective minds. But hey, build that backyard bunker and start stockpiling guns and ammo, I guess your going to need it when millions of American fascists mount a takeover attempt. LMAO that you think they were anywhere close to overthrowing the government. You need to stop watching reruns of Designated Survivor. Greg would be so proud of y'all. Folks labeled him crazy when he made these same predictions. I'm sorry this didn't qualify as close enough for you. But missing in your attempts to analogize is that this had the support of the acting head of state. It had the head of state recorded threatening a state official to fabricate votes in order to overturn the will of his state on a Sunday. It then three days later had him encouraging and leading a mob of supporters into a government building voting at that moment to end his presidency, where they broke in, killed a police officer, injured countless others, planted two bombs, frantically searched for members of congress while backup force was slow to respond because the man in charge of deploying it wanted it to happen. It was fought back, and then a few hours later more than half of the President's party voted with him in the house to overturn the election results. This all might not seem like that big a deal to you but for most of us a branch of government using mob rule to force what they want is dangerous, because there are actually many real examples of this set-up working at overthrowing democratically elected governments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, bmags said: I'm sorry this didn't qualify as close enough for you. But missing in your attempts to analogize is that this had the support of the acting head of state. It had the head of state recorded threatening a state official to fabricate votes in order to overturn the will of his state on a Sunday. It then three days later had him encouraging and leading a mob of supporters into a government building voting at that moment to end his presidency, where they broke in, killed a police officer, injured countless others, planted two bombs, frantically searched for members of congress while backup force was slow to respond because the man in charge of deploying it wanted it to happen. It was fought back, and then a few hours later more than half of the President's party voted with him in the house to overturn the election results. This all might not seem like that big a deal to you but for most of us a branch of government using mob rule to force what they want is dangerous, because there are actually many real examples of this set-up working at overthrowing democratically elected governments. It ended up not working, though. Therefore and thusly, who cares? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Texsox said: I grasp it. It was close to being one of the biggest acts of terror on our soil. Would it have been worse than the Oklahoma City Bombing? We survived that. But perhaps because those 168 souls were just federal employees and children, it wouldn't have been as bad? In less than two weeks Biden will be President. The Dems will control both houses. I'm very optimistic about our future. But the key point here is McVeigh wasn’t attempting to subvert the results of an election or assassinate Clinton. Nobody would argue that it was an attempt to overthrow the government. And the police/ATF/FBI weren’t exactly cooperating with those groups to help them carry out their stated goals. Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC and Columbine were birds of a completely different feather. Could we apply sedition/treason there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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