Jose Abreu Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: You’re voting for Trump? No, I voted third party. I live in Illinois so my presidential vote doesn't matter anyway. The main reason I went was because the local races are up for grabs and important 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: No, I voted third party. I live in Illinois so my presidential vote doesn't matter anyway. The main reason I went was because the local races are up for grabs and important Nice. I am also voting 3rd party. I am also a Christian. I also do not understand why people who call themselves Christians think Trump is the savior, or how they can't see his dividing rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, poppysox said: Elections have consequences! Exactly my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dallas Kong said: I’m Catholic. God will judge my devoutness, and He’d probably say, “not enough”. Either way, I try. I find my religion is better defended, however, by not placing it in the public square in the first place. The key message is humans are flawed, after all. So it’s understandable that Trump divorces twice and cavorts with porn stars, but he probably shouldn’t be the spokesman for the belief system. I'm also Catholic and point of interest Obama received a sizable majority of Catholic's votes. I believe I can justify my political leftist leanings with my faith quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 This country would be such a better place if we could get people to separate church and state. People should be able to follow & practice whatever religious beliefs they want as long as they don’t negatively impact someone else directly. I’ll never understand this need for some people to force their religious views on others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Soxbadger said: If the GOP didnt want the Supreme Court to be packed they should have voted on Merrick Garland, they should have not abolished the 60 vote requirement for SC judges and they should not voted for ACB. 3 strikes you are out. What's wrong with ACB; she seemed professional, polite, kind of saintly in fact in terms of utter niceness. Why would anybody have a problem with her? Edited November 3, 2020 by greg775 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: The same people who run on gun rights are the same people making sure as many people as possible can't vote, but greg isn't ready for that conversation. I'm ready for any conversation. My long post on here may be considered silly/wrong/stupid/moronic by some, but I'm not the only one who fears some of those things I listed as far as a Harris/AOC/Nancy presidency if Joe has to step down as some of us fear. I'm not the only one who has these concerns, folks. Dismiss me all you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, greg775 said: What's wrong with ACB; she seemed professional, polite, kind of saintly in fact in terms of utter niceness. Why would anybody have a problem with her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Tony said: This is a real human brain. There is no way greg775 is a real person. I have always been under the assumption that it is just another member that has created a character to play on the forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, greg775 said: What's wrong with ACB; she seemed professional, polite, kind of saintly in fact in terms of utter niceness. Why would anybody have a problem with her? Where I come from when you create a rule, even if its amongst friends, you follow that rule. When Merrick Garland was nominated for SC, GOP Senators stated that when it is an election year you "let the people decide." McConnell: "Given that we are in the midst of the presidential election process, we believe that the American people should seize the opportunity to weigh in on whom they trust to nominate the next person for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court." “The Senate will appropriately revisit the matter after the American people finish making in November the decision they’ve already started making today." It is important for the Senate to "give the people a voice in the filling of this vacancy" by waiting until the next president takes office. "The American people may well elect a president who decides to nominate Judge Garland for Senate consideration," McConnell said. "The next president may also nominate someone very different. Either way, our view is this: Give the people a voice." Graham: "I will tell you this: If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump's term in the primary process is started, we will wait to the next election." The GOP decided to create a rule for their own gain and then when the circumstances were reversed, decided that they wanted to change the rules again for their own gain. It isnt about ACB, its that Republicans set a precedent that you let voters decide and now refused to let the voters have a voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: Wasn't there an interview were trump was asked for his favorite bible verse and he couldn't come up with one?:) Btw the one positive with trump imo was that he is not interested in Military and war. Not every war is wrong but with his judgement ability him being more military loving could have caused some serious harm. Fortunately he didn't care about that and create another endless war that costs trillions and achieves very little. He also quoted from Colossians/Corinthians and pronounced it incorrectly, and then said TWO CORINTHIANS, instead of SECOND. Don't take a page out of Donald Trump's holy book. The Republican presidential candidate who has preached about how much he loves the Bible butchered the Book of Proverbs and nearly invented his own scripture in an interview Wednesday. "There's so many things that you can learn from it," Trump said in an exclusive sit-down with the Christian Broadcasting Network from his California golf course. "Proverbs, the chapter 'never bend to envy.' I've had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy." https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-butchers-bible-quotes-non-existent-verse-article-1.2364282 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, supernuke said: There is no way greg775 is a real person. I have always been under the assumption that it is just another member that has created a character to play on the forums You can ask me anything you want direct messaging. I'll give you my true feelings about politics, etc. I guarantee you my positions in that long post about concern about Biden's health and the intentions of Harris/Pelosi/AOC are not mine alone. Some of you folks don't listen to Travis/Whitlock/Rogan/Carlson/Huckabee/Rush. I do. Along with some of the CNN folks like Cuomo. Edited November 3, 2020 by greg775 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Don’t forget the birds, the maniac plans to kill them all with green energy!! Eg., Biden “will destroy your protections for pre-existing conditions” “The Biden plan would destroy Social Security” Biden will “decimate Medicare” “They want to … confiscate your guns” “They now want to abolish our police departments” “They want to abolish our prisons” “Abolish immigration detention. No more detention” Biden “is even talking about taking the wall down” Biden will “abolish fracking” Democrats “want to shut your churches down, permanently” Biden and Democrats want to “drive God from the public square” No more Christmas! I saved Christmas! They want to take away your hot water heaters and even your ability to flush the toilet... Biden will “ban school choice, charter schools” “No windows” “Cows are out. No more hamburgers." https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/donald-trumps-long-false-list-of-things-joe-biden-would-ban-abolish-or-destroy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: Where I come from when you create a rule, even if its amongst friends, you follow that rule. When Merrick Garland was nominated for SC, GOP Senators stated that when it is an election year you "let the people decide." McConnell: "Given that we are in the midst of the presidential election process, we believe that the American people should seize the opportunity to weigh in on whom they trust to nominate the next person for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court." “The Senate will appropriately revisit the matter after the American people finish making in November the decision they’ve already started making today." It is important for the Senate to "give the people a voice in the filling of this vacancy" by waiting until the next president takes office. "The American people may well elect a president who decides to nominate Judge Garland for Senate consideration," McConnell said. "The next president may also nominate someone very different. Either way, our view is this: Give the people a voice." Graham: "I will tell you this: If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump's term in the primary process is started, we will wait to the next election." The GOP decided to create a rule for their own gain and then when the circumstances were reversed, decided that they wanted to change the rules again for their own gain. It isnt about ACB, its that Republicans set a precedent that you let voters decide and now refused to let the voters have a voice. Looks like McConnell and Graham flat out lied. Voters should vote them out; don't stack the court for gosh sakes and change the whole system. Even Ruth thought that was a bad idea. So are we supposed to stack the court and add a few states? That will assure Democrat rule forever. The two party system isn't perfect but it is a way to have some checks and balances. Stacking the court and adding 2 states or more will assure Democrat rule forever. Not healthy when folks like Nancy/AOC and Pelosi are saying the stuff they are saying about the future. Did anybody watch those hearings and see ACB as the devil? She seems fantastic. She's going to hear cases not rubber stamp GOP positions IMO. How can you watch the hearings and listen to her and think she's not qualified? She seems great. Edited November 3, 2020 by greg775 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, Texsox said: I'm also Catholic and point of interest Obama received a sizable majority of Catholic's votes. I believe I can justify my political leftist leanings with my faith quite nicely. This is the main reason I want Buttigieg to win someday.....to consistently confound Fox News reporters/questioners, evangelicals and especially those who can't reconcile homosexuality with religion and want to "cure" gay people. He knows the Bible and faith better than 95% of those in the GOP, except for those extreme examples like Pence. He can certainly run rings around anyone in the Democratic Party already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: Btw I'm no huge biden fan and would have preferred a younger candidate but do trump people really Believe biden will install socialism, get rid of churches, get rid of police and open the borders? Biden-obama actually deported more people than trump did. Biden and harris also both have a strong pro police, law and order record. Also biden is pretty centrist when it comes to economy stuff.he is talking left to appease the bernie/aoc fans but he certainly is not a Socialist by any means when judging his policy in the last 30 years. Yes some people think Harris/AOC/Nancy, the four folks in that group with the nickname I'm forgetting, do believe socialism is the goal. And some cities have already devastated their police forces and certainly want the abolishment of police. Times have changed. Joe and Harris' policies of the past don't matter. At least that's the position of some of us who are very afraid of the things I mentioned in my long post. How bout somebody address each of my points and give me your point of view rather than deem me an idiot or a troll? I'd love to not be worried about the things I mentioned. I do fear Civil War; I do fear lack of law and order. I do fear communism/socialism coming. I'm not the only one. I just have a different viewpoint from you and some others. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 For the record, Obama won 54% of the Catholic vote in 2008. The collision of peace and social justice, the Golden Rule aspects of Christianity (how we treat the poor in society) versus The Prosperity Gospels, capital punishment/abortion/homosexuality focus represented by the extreme right wing of religious/evangelical/fundamentalist voters. Impossible to reconcile the two sides, pretty much...so people pick and choose like they're ordering at a McDonald's instead. Just like they completely overlook every single aspect of Trump's personal life (divorces, affairs, assault claims by 25ish women, lack of interest in attending church or following the Bible except for using it as a prop like in ELMER GANTRY) and his policies that benefit themselves or their personal interests in some way, shape or form. Hypocrisy doesn't even exist as a word in American lexicon because there's just no longer any shame (see Merrick Garland positions in 2016 versus GOP "twisting oneself into a pretzel while smirking" quotes from 2020 on ACB.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, greg775 said: Yes some people think Harris/AOC/Nancy, the four folks in that group with the nickname I'm forgetting, do believe socialism is the goal. And some cities have already devastated their police forces and certainly want the abolishment of police. Times have changed. Joe and Harris' policies of the past don't matter. At least that's the position of some of us who are very afraid of the things I mentioned in my long post. How bout somebody address each of my points and give me your point of view rather than deem me an idiot or a troll? I'd love to not be worried about the things I mentioned. I do fear Civil War; I do fear lack of law and order. I do fear communism/socialism coming. I'm not the only one. I just have a different viewpoint from you and some others. You can add Bernie Sanders. The problem is WHAT THE HELL IS TRUMP's ACTUAL PLAN for a second term? He doesn't have one. He simply wants to hold onto power, out of ego and also an increasing fear of prosecution/investigations post-presidency. Finally, the fact that the Trump brand is so over-leveraged and he owes hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign banks...it's quite obvious personal motivations are overriding what's good for the greatest number of Americans. Between COVID-19 response and the sheer idiocy of trying to kick 20+ million Americans off Obamacare in the midst of a pandemic and put them without health insurance and a job into the pre-existing condition category now with precisely NO PLAN WHATSOEVER to replace Obamacare, anyone who's working poor/middle or lower middle class/dependent on Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid would be insane to vote for this guy. Who in God's name thinks THAT is a good idea? I can't think of a single Republican politician in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or even early 2000's (compassionate conservatism under GW Bush) who would have agreed with such folly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, greg775 said: Looks like McConnell and Graham flat out lied. Voters should vote them out; don't stack the court for gosh sakes and change the whole system. Even Ruth thought that was a bad idea. So are we supposed to stack the court and add a few states? That will assure Democrat rule forever. The two party system isn't perfect but it is a way to have some checks and balances. Stacking the court and adding 2 states or more will assure Democrat rule forever. Not healthy when folks like Nancy/AOC and Pelosi are saying the stuff they are saying about the future. Did anybody watch those hearings and see ACB as the devil? She seems fantastic. She's going to hear cases not rubber stamp GOP positions IMO. How can you watch the hearings and listen to her and think she's not qualified? She seems great. She omitted things when she submitted her information to the Senate. The #1 criteria for a lifetime appointment should be honesty. When you apply to be a lawyer you have to submit to character and fitness. They warn you that omissions are bad and could jeopardize your license. You are taught honesty is important. In a nonpartisan world that should have disqualified her. You cant give a lifetime appointment to someone who purposefully leaves out controversial parts of their past. As for states, why are you against people having s say? If DC and Puerto Rico were GOP you'd support them? That's bogus. Our system is built on representation. If PR and DC want to be states we should support them irrespective of how they would vote. As with court packing if ACB resigns, I would say that they should stay at 9. It would be a sacrifice to prove to the US people that we believe in justice and honor. If not, im fine with 13 judges. Actions have consequences, should have called your senator and told him you were afraid of what the consequences are for lying to the American people. The saddest part is they still would have had a 5-4 majority. But that wasn't enough. Edited November 3, 2020 by Soxbadger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StrangeSox Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Trump gives evangelical conservatives the policy and control of the judiciary that they want. Why wouldn't they support him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Elections have consequences! Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tony said: Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where does the support come in for the electoral college? Not only is it outdated, but even if you are an "originalist," the current electoral college "winner take all" format isn't how it was originally intended to work. I'm so sick of 4-5 states controlling the entire election. It's also incredibly sad when 35-40 states can use the same line every four years. "I mean, I didn't vote but my vote doesn't even really matter, I live in a totally _______(insert Red State or Blue State) so it really doesn't matter if I cast my vote." We live in a digital age where anyone can get as much information as they want on a candidate. The creatures in Florida shouldn't be deciding a national election. 1. Those 4-5 states. 2. The Republican Party, which has lost the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections but won 2 of them that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: i love how they both defend fracking and act like it's great; one of the most depressing thing about the debates was these two morons arguing about who wants to destroy the environment more in the name of a few short term jobs. And yet, none of the blue collar supporters I have read about that support Trump question that it might be automation that took or will be taking their jobs instead of trade or immigration. Trump and Biden wouldn’t know about solutions but at least Yang addressed it in the primary. I hope he addresses it if Biden wins since that will be something that needs to be addressed for lots of Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: For the record, Obama won 54% of the Catholic vote in 2008. I voted for him and I'm Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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