2020 Election Thoughts

[pettie4sox]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ok, but she won. Not sure what to say. 

It's possible a lot of voters had gideon or collins 1 or 2 accordingly and if that's the case they gotta count all the ballots again to see who is 1 or 2 more times.

[caulfield12]

https://forward.com/opinion/457880/what-trumps-inroads-with-latino-voters-means-for-the-democrats/
Going by the tar and feather Democrats as Marxist/Socialists campaign strategy in South Florida...one writer wonders about the consequences for Dems going forward.
 

Sanders vs. Trump would have been a much more interesting campaign, but not sure who would have prevailed in states like AZ, NV and the three Blue Wall Midwestern ones.

[chw42]

1 minute ago, pettie4sox said:

It's possible a lot of voters had gideon or collins 1 or 2 accordingly and if that's the case they gotta count all the ballots again to see who is 1 or 2 more times.

Gideon conceded.

[pettie4sox]

I see there was a phone call to concede but the race hasn't been called yet, interesting.  The dems and their do nothing stand for nothing centrist candidates get shown the garbage bin.  Not surprising.

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Right now Yahoo and CNN have a huge difference when it comes to PA.

 

CNN is estimating 80% reporting, Yahoo is at 64%

They have almost identical vote figures. If Yahoo is right that is huge for Biden's chances.

PA has been on that same number for 8-10 hours at Yahoo.

I would trust NY Times, CNN or WaPo more.   Yahoo is based on AP?   Also, wonder if Yahoo is going to dare to reopen their comments sections on articles or wait at least until election is certified.

[mqr]

3 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Right now Yahoo and CNN have a huge difference when it comes to PA.

 

CNN is estimating 80% reporting, Yahoo is at 64%

They have almost identical vote figures. If Yahoo is right that is huge for Biden's chances.

Politico and NYT split is identical, wonder what's driving that

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

8 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

It's possible a lot of voters had gideon or collins 1 or 2 accordingly and if that's the case they gotta count all the ballots again to see who is 1 or 2 more times.

Democrats spent over $300 million to try and unseat Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Joni Ernst, and Susan Collins.

Money well spent; smh. Spent all that money and put up dead end candidates.

[pettie4sox]

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Democrats spent over $300 million to try and unseat Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Joni Ernst, and Susan Collins.

Money well spent; smh. Spent all that money and put up dead end candidates.

Yeah that's epic fail, they still don't get what moves the needle of voters.  Susan Collins was pretty much glass joe, Graham too... both super vulnerable if you ask me.

[caulfield12]

One positive, we don’t have to spend the next two years consumed with court packing arguments unless the Dems pick off one of those two GA races in January and/or unless Manchin, Murkowski or Collins side with them as well.
 

That could all change if the Supreme Court really goes ahead and invalidates Obamacare next week.
 

Ossoff in GA will have received more campaign funds than any Dem in modern political history to keep losing, lol.

 

A judge told USPS to search mail for ballots by 3 p.m. on Election Day. USPS said no.

300,000 ballots under scrutiny

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-told-usps-search-mail-141505704.html

Now the USPS faces a discussion Wednesday about its "apparent lack of compliance with the Court's order," according to an order filed by Sullivan later Tuesday. Sullivan acknowledged the efforts underway and said he was inclined to let them continue.

The facilities targeted were in central Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Detroit, Colorado/Wyoming, Atlanta, Houston, Alabama, Northern New England, Greater South Carolina, South Florida, Lakeland, and Arizona.

Plaintiffs in the lawsuit, which includes the participation-focused group Vote Forward, have sought redress for reported mail delivery obstacles ahead of the election.

Similarly, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel this summer joined a number of states in a federal lawsuit against the USPS after slowdowns in the mail service.

Edited November 4, 2020 by caulfield12

[chw42]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Democrats spent over $300 million to try and unseat Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Joni Ernst, and Susan Collins.

Money well spent; smh. Spent all that money and put up dead end candidates.

Almost as bad as spending a billion to win American Samoa.

[Soxbadger]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Democrats spent over $300 million to try and unseat Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Joni Ernst, and Susan Collins.

Money well spent; smh. Spent all that money and put up dead end candidates.

The money was spent to make the GOP defend those seats so the GOP couldnt spend as much money on other more contested seats.

Edited November 4, 2020 by Soxbadger

[chw42]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

The money was spent to make the GOP defend those seats so the GOP couldnt spend as much money on other more contested seats.

They also couldn't win in GA and NC. Those were races where they were favored in the polling. 

[pettie4sox]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

The money was spent to make the GOP defend those seats so they couldnt spend as much money on other more contested seats.

OK then put up candidates that move the needle of voters.  Nobody wants plain cheerios when you can have honey nut.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

The money was spent to make the GOP defend those seats so the GOP couldnt spend as much money on other more contested seats.

Not buying this for one second; Susan Collins did not lead in a single poll. The Dems are devastated they lost they seat; they were 100% banking on it. You can argue the Graham and Mitch challenges were going to take time and they were trying to move the needle one election at a time, but that entire theory goes out the window with Collins losing.

With people sick of money in politics, the Dems answer is to outspend to win. It's illogical.

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Not buying this for one second; Susan Collins did not lead in a single poll. The Dems are devastated they lost they seat; they were 100% banking on it. You can argue the Graham and Mitch challenges were going to take time and they were trying to move the needle one election at a time, but that entire theory goes out the window with Collins losing.

With people sick of money in politics, the Dems answer is to outspend to win. It's illogical.

Collins was vulnerable, but unseating someone is always hard. Collins played smart in the end and didnt vote for ACB. 

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

OK then put up candidates that move the needle of voters.  Nobody wants plain cheerios when you can have honey nut.

What's ironic is that we have these comments at the same time as we're seeing comments from the (notably fewer) people on the opposite side saying that these races are close because the voters are afraid of Socialism.

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

What's ironic is that we have these comments at the same time as we're seeing comments from the (notably fewer) people on the opposite side saying that these races are close because the voters are afraid of Socialism.

The main attack on Biden was he was "too" progressive. Imagine if the Democrats actually ran someone more progressive. IMO the reason Biden is getting these victories in the Midwest is because he was a moderate. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

What's ironic is that we have these comments at the same time as we're seeing comments from the (notably fewer) people on the opposite side saying that these races are close because the voters are afraid of Socialism.

Literally nothing ironic about the media pushing centrists talking points. It is to be expected.

Just as they pretend all hispanics in southern florida are too stupid to think for themselves and see through the lies? It's just offensive. Identity politics is complete nonsense. Black people don't all think the same; Cubans aren't the same as Mexicans or Venezuelans. These are human beings.

Also, everyone who doesn't support your candidate isn't an uneducated idiot; they're not all racist. People are tired of hearing that stuff.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

The main attack on Biden was he was "too" progressive. Imagine if the Democrats actually ran someone more progressive. IMO the reason Biden is getting these victories in the Midwest is because he was a moderate. 

sigh.... things will never ever change with this attitude. How far right does the "liberal" party in America need to go before people understand it's a problem?

Yes, how exciting was it when all those former republican war mongers came out in support of biden. Really moved the needle.

[Balta1701]

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Also, everyone who doesn't support your candidate isn't an uneducated idiot; they're not all racist. People are tired of hearing that stuff.

I don't care if they're tired of hearing that stuff. If they voted for Donald Trump, at the very least "open racism wasn't a big problem for them". F*** that shit. This wasn't Mittens in 2012 or McCain or GWB, this guy took over the party because the base wanted to be able to be openly racist, and that wasn't a problem for his voters. 

[Chisoxfn]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I don't care if they're tired of hearing that stuff. If they voted for Donald Trump, at the very least "open racism wasn't a big problem for them". F*** that shit. This wasn't Mittens in 2012 or McCain or GWB, this guy took over the party because the base wanted to be able to be openly racist, and that wasn't a problem for his voters. 

You can keep saying this - but this view is one of the things that is wrong with factions of the democrat party. 100% and all it does is further alienate the situation and increase the divide. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I don't care if they're tired of hearing that stuff. If they voted for Donald Trump, at the very least "open racism wasn't a big problem for them". F*** that shit. This wasn't Mittens in 2012 or McCain or GWB, this guy took over the party because the base wanted to be able to be openly racist, and that wasn't a problem for his voters. 

So all the black people and hispanic people and minorities who voted Trump are racist morons? Because he grew voters in that demographic.

The only place Trump lost voters this election was with White Males. Probably because HIllary was running last time and sexism still exists, but still.

Open your ears and listen to the pain being screamed from those who have been left behind instead of judging them for their reactionary votes, and displaced anger.

[Soxbadger]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

sigh.... things will never ever change with this attitude. How far right does the "liberal" party in America need to go before people understand it's a problem?

Yes, how exciting was it when all those former republican war mongers came out in support of biden. Really moved the needle.

I would love to be sitting here looking at wins in Florida, NC, GA etc and saying "the country has moved left, we can now have a more liberal agenda."

But what part of what has happened today or tonight suggests that is the case?

In my opinion, nothing. 

The most important thing for the "liberal" party is to win elections. After you win the election then you can worry about your agenda. But so far I have seen nothing to suggests that more liberal candidates would have faired better in any of the elections that you pointed to.

Do you have any evidence that a more liberal candidate would have out performed?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Why don't we talk about the Irish vote, the English Vote, the German vote the same way we talk about the hispanic and black vote? Instead, whites are always referred to and treated as free thinking whites who are unpredictable and vote on issues and not "race." As if they are some advanced intellectuals that look beyond background and focus on issues.

Yet we constantly refer to minorities as one universal voting black that votes in unison absent issues or beliefs. It's nonsense and it's pushing people away from the party.

Edited November 4, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

sigh.... things will never ever change with this attitude. How far right does the "liberal" party in America need to go before people understand it's a problem?

Yes, how exciting was it when all those former republican war mongers came out in support of biden. Really moved the needle.

It's ironic because the GOP made in roads in Florida how? By calling the Democrats Socialists. Where is the crying to change that name calling?