2020 Election Thoughts

[Soxbadger]

7 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

also, anybody shocked that Doug Jones got his ass beat after only serving one term lol

run as a fake ass republican and the voters will choose the real republican almost every time

 

 

2 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

True but he governed like typical establishment republican.

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

[Heads22]

 

[caulfield12]

The Dems and their establishment did get the idea of Biden landslide badly wrong, and it cost America, in the end, their refusal to take reality seriously. You shouldn’t join them in this game of denial and wishful thinking. Those of you who are about to condemn me for pointing it out should be holding them to account — the Democratic machine, Nate Silver, etcetera, instead. Because even if Biden pulls off a victory now, he has surely been denied a mandate. He may win, but the chance of a resounding triumph is now dust in history’s wind.

....

Ultimately, believing in a Biden landslide cost Demcorats, and Americans, this — the chance to prevent Trump’s coup. The one he was always going to try, if the vote was even remotely close. Betting on a landslide, believing in the polls, undermined the very possibility of one. That’s not some kind of paradox, it’s just basic logic. If you believe that you’re going to triumph, why bother trying to the absolute limits of your capabilities? So the nightmare scenario is now here. Biden doesn’t just have to win an election now. He has to stop Trump from winning a coup.

All that is the price of believing the fantasy of a landslide. It’s lethal and catastrophic. Biden may yet win, but sadly it won’t be a triumph. And there is still the coup to consider. Please. Please. Take it seriously. Don’t minimise it. Because even now, you will be making another mistake. That the coup can’t succeed, just because democracy has to win. Learn from this mistake, my friend, don’t be naive. The point of a coup is to end democracy. And there is now every chance that Trump and his fanatics will succeed at just that.

https://eand.co/why-there-was-no-biden-landslide-b7156091a2d8

[pettie4sox]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

 

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

I think Roy Moore was so bad that not many people showed up to vote him in.  Doug Jones was a dead man walking when he won that special election.  I doubt there was anything he could have done sans change to an (R).

[Soxbadger]

Senator Casey estimated about 70k left in Philly. If that is true, Biden probably up about +20-30k.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

Senator Casey estimated about 70k left in Philly. If that is true, Biden probably up about +20-30k.

You will probably get a similar amount from Pittsburgh tomorrow, they are just delayed due to a contractor printing problem that they have to double check by hand.

[Danny Dravot]

17 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

True but he governed like typical establishment republican.

This is fair. I did like some of his actions- tax cuts (although you need to pair those with budget cuts), moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, killing Soleimani. On the other hand, I hate much of his foreign policy. His China stuff focuses almost entirely on trade war bullshit, and not on the massive human rights violations of that regime. Withdrawing from Syria (leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered) and pulling out of Germany (even partially) were foolish moves. He is pulling us out of Afghanistan in a way that strengthens the Taliban's hand and undercuts their democratically elected government. Domestically, I support legal immigration and the curbing of illegal immigration, but the wall is an idiotic waste of money and Trump often seemed to cherish cruelty for cruelty's sake, which is absolutely un-American. His entire realm of behavior is unbecoming of anyone and especially someone who even masquerades as a Christian. People who believe in wild conspiracy theories the way he does should be lobotomized.

Edit: I think it goes without saying that his COVID response has been putrid. I don't honestly believe President Biden or Hillary or Jeb would have gotten a seriously different result, unfortunately, but conservatism is supposed to be about duty. Rather than encourage that and get people to accept the slightest discomfort in wearing masks, he encouraged an absurd form of hedonism. I swear, Trump's world is one where no one volunteers to storm the beaches of Normandy.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Danny Dravot

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

 

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

There's only been two significant successes in my 51 years on earth.

Hope and change candidates who are articulate and have charisma and the ability to connect with voters.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Two in my lifetime.

At one point, I would have argued Mario Cuomo possessed that same ability, but he never seemed to want to put himself and his family through the process of being under the national microscope (and many argued there were too many NY politics skeletons buried in his closet as well.)  Jessie Jackson had it, from an oratorical standpoint, but he was never going to be able to extend his niche support, at least not back in the 1980's and early 90's.

 

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

You will probably get a similar amount from Pittsburgh tomorrow, they are just delayed due to a contractor printing problem that they have to double check by hand.

Conor Lamb already rallied back in that area of PA...seems like a foregone conclusion Biden will eventually win there.

[southsider2k5]

26319 in PA

[The Beast]

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

McConnell controls all. He decides what bills come to the floor. If he personally doesn’t want a bill to be voted on, it dies. They have to pass a few budget bills otherwise the government shuts down. Otherwise he basically must approve.

So he’s the Mike Madigan of Congress? I guess Biden better hope for a Georgia sweep in January even though it is unlikely.

[ron883]

11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

You will probably get a similar amount from Pittsburgh tomorrow, they are just delayed due to a contractor printing problem that they have to double check by hand.

"Contractor printing problem"

[Chicago White Sox]

20 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

 

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

Thank you...it’s absolutely crazy and we’d likely have another four years of Trump in office.

[StrangeSox]

Fwiw legalization passed in multiple states, and Florida passed a $15 minimum wage with a super majority while also going for Trump. In 2018, they reenfranchised former felons by supermajority vote whole sending a republican to the governorship and us senate.

Democrats could run on embracing these sorts of more populist policies, but they explicitly rejected them in their platform this year.

 

 

E: arizona passed this

the failed fair tax amendment in Illinois sucks, good job swallowing billionaire propaganda everyone!

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by StrangeSox

[Balta1701]

6 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

"Contractor printing problem"

They litigated this in court weeks ago. Their printer mailed the wrong ballots to a set of voters showing them races they were ineligible to vote in. They have to manually remove votes from those ballots in local races and verify that people only sent in one ballot if they received a replacement.

Everyone could vote in the Presidential race, but they have to check for duplicates.

[StrangeSox]

8 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

"Contractor printing problem"

They sent the wrong ballots to people a couple of weeks ago but then sent it corrected ones. 

[Balta1701]

10 minutes ago, The Beast said:

So he’s the Mike Madigan of Congress? I guess Biden better hope for a Georgia sweep in January even though it is unlikely.

I don’t know my Illinois comparisons fully, but that sounds right. If McConnell wants nothing to pass because he believes that benefits him, nothing passes.

For example, this is why there was never a Dream Act fix passed. It could easily get 60+ Senate votes, Obama would have signed it, McConnell will not bring it up for a vote. He has held those people hostage for a decade. 

[Two-Gun Pete]

26 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

 

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

Yeah, the far left somehow looks at the all-time highest vote totals for POTUS, and sez,"durr  it shudda been more gooder if he was more ultraiberal."

 

The reality is that this election drew more left-leaning voters than ever before, but it also drew more right-leaning voters than ever before as well.

[southsideirish71]

1 minute ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Yeah, the far left somehow looks at the all-time highest vote totals for POTUS, and sez,"durr  it shudda been more gooder if he was more ultraiberal."

  

The reality is that this election drew more left-leaning voters than ever before, but it also drew more right-leaning voters than ever before as well.

If a crazy ultra liberal candidate was going against trump I would of held my nose and voted for trump.  Biden at least is a centrist and is someone that can win a general election based on pulling from all sides.  This is why he got my vote and that was the only D I voted for here in Illinois.  

[pettie4sox]

4 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Yeah, the far left somehow looks at the all-time highest vote totals for POTUS, and sez,"durr  it shudda been more gooder if he was more ultraiberal."

 

The reality is that this election drew more left-leaning voters than ever before, but it also drew more right-leaning voters than ever before as well.

You act like that's a result of Joe Biden.  That's laughable.  DJT would be re-elected easily if COVID didn't happen.  Those are facts.

[Two-Gun Pete]

3 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Fwiw legalization passed in multiple states, and Florida passed a $15 minimum wage with a super majority while also going for Trump. In 2018, they reenfranchised former felons by supermajority vote whole sending a republican to the governorship and us senate.

Democrats could run on embracing these sorts of more populist policies, but they explicitly rejected them in their platform this year.

Dude, that's all branding down there.

If a party spent decades calling ALL candidates from the other party "socialists," then there is a fvkc-ton of voters that will believe that sh!t. And guess what? Thats exactly whats happened. 

A majority Americans, when polled, prefer a lot of more liberal positions. But when these positions are branded as "socialist," a lot of voters lose their sh!t over those same positions.

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Yeah, the far left somehow looks at the all-time highest vote totals for POTUS, and sez,"durr  it shudda been more gooder if he was more ultraiberal."

 

The reality is that this election drew more left-leaning voters than ever before, but it also drew more right-leaning voters than ever before as well.

Can anyone imagine Sanders turning Texas?   His main argument was that younge Hispanics were turning out for him, but the sympathetic Castro comments would have crushed him in Florida. 

[joejoesox]

31 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

 

And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better. 

Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?

has nothing to do with being liberal.  it's about POLICY

give people a reason to believe you when you tell them you're going to work on making their lives better and you'll win, whether you're a democrat, or republican

universal healthcare is very popular across party lines, raising the minimum wage is very popular everywhere, gun law reform is popular on the right and the left believe it or not, denouncing the corruption of your own party is also very popular.  people HATE same ol same ol politicians.  doug jones was a standard run if the mill corporate democrat who had no plan on actually helping people. he was elected (by a SLIM margin) because his opponent was a pedophile.  he lost because he didn't give a shit about poor people in alabama, and his opponent wasn't an obscene monster

[Two-Gun Pete]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Can anyone imagine Sanders turning Texas?   His main argument was that younge Hispanics were turning out for him, but the sympathetic Castro comments would have crushed him in Florida. 

Exactly.

Sanders can win tiny Vermont, and AOC can win her tiny house district. But over a larger voting bloc, or nationwide, a wider appeal often helps to carry the day.

[joejoesox]

10 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

If a crazy ultra liberal candidate was going against trump I would of held my nose and voted for trump.  Biden at least is a centrist and is someone that can win a general election based on pulling from all sides.  This is why he got my vote and that was the only D I voted for here in Illinois.  

Biden won because Trump makes rich white people feel gross.  Biden has gotten his ass stomped every single time he has ran for president.  Anyone would have beaten Trump this election

Edited November 6, 2020 by joesaiditstrue