Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: You act like that's a result of Joe Biden. That's laughable. DJT would be re-elected easily if COVID didn't happen. Those are facts. Remember this though - every president faces crises. He’s sort of lucky it took him this long to have a real one. Might have something to do with how well set up the government was to run after 2016, it takes a while to dismantle that level of effectiveness and skill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: You act like that's a result of Joe Biden. That's laughable. DJT would be re-elected easily if COVID didn't happen. Those are facts. Agree to disagree. I think covid drove up GOP numbes huge. Those rural areas hate lockdowns and blame Democrats for it. Thats why (imo) the polling was off. They didnt realize how many people in non metro areas blame Dems for this past year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Exactly. Sanders can win tiny Vermont, and AOC can win her tiny house district. But over a larger voting bloc, or nationwide, a wider appeal often helps to carry the day. the reason they have a difficult time winning largely stems from the massive amount of propaganda that is spewed about them on network television. people actually think Sanders wants the government to take over the means of production and run everything like Stalin, it's fucking absurd. AOC has had to kiss corporate ass to remain relevant in her own party. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 PA expected to flip overnight as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: Agree to disagree. I think covid drove up GOP numbes huge. Those rural areas hate lockdowns and blame Democrats for it. Thats why (imo) the polling was off. They didnt realize how many people in non metro areas blame Dems for this past year. Trump rolls Biden without covid Edited November 6, 2020 by Yearnin' for Yermin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, joesaiditstrue said: the reason they have a difficult time winning largely stems from the massive amount of propaganda that is spewed about them on network television. people actually think Sanders wants the government to take over the means of production and run everything like Stalin, it's fucking absurd. AOC has had to kiss corporate ass to remain relevant in her own party. So your job is not to run Sanders or AOC and watch the attacks become effective. It’s to get the grass roots work done to build support for years. Decades even. ”I agree with you 100%. Now make me do it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: You act like that's a result of Joe Biden. That's laughable. DJT would be re-elected easily if COVID didn't happen. Those are facts. I dont know if we could test that or not. Have any self-identified "socialists" won nationwide electoral victories? At the same time, would there be absolutely no other crises to test the current president? If there would be other crises, I have no doubt Trump would have bungled the responses to those as well. Edited November 6, 2020 by Two-Gun Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: Biden won because Trump makes rich white people feel gross. Biden has gotten his ass stomped every single time he has ran for office. Anyone would have beaten Trump this election For the record, 2016 wasn't the first time Trump ran for President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Thank Stacey Abrams for making Georgia go blue. Heroic effort. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: the reason they have a difficult time winning largely stems from the massive amount of propaganda that is spewed about them on network television. people actually think Sanders wants the government to take over the means of production and run everything like Stalin, it's fucking absurd. AOC has had to kiss corporate ass to remain relevant in her own party. While I agree that there are branding issues, there also are reasons why self-described "socialists" have yet to win the nomination of a major political party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, Two-Gun Pete said: While I agree that there are branding issues, there also are reasons why self-described "socialists" have yet to win the nomination of a major political party. Yeah, capital lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Trump rolls Biden without covid Anything is possible in your fantasy world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: Yeah, capital lol I think Bernie did just fine on fundraising. He swamped Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Trump rolls Biden without covid You'd think so, but Trump is outperforming the 2018 midterm results by quite a bit. It could be because he's Trump and some groups of people just like him. I think COVID changed the minds of a lot of left leaning independents, but not a lot of right leaning ones. But we know that COVID absolutely riled up his base. You can argue that COVID also riled up the democrats as well. It could have very well been a wash in the end with a slight advantage to Biden. Exit polling showed that people thought the economy was the biggest factor for them 33%. Only 20% said COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) Henry Wallace from Iowa, FDR's VP. Other than that, the closest would be Paul Wellstone or maybe LaFollette from Wisconsin a century ago. Hearst was more populist than socialist. Or the AFL-CIO leaders in the 50s 60s 70s. Edited November 6, 2020 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I think Bernie did just fine on fundraising. He swamped Biden. Arguably, Rep. Clyburn in SC played kingmaker twice, Obama over HRClinton and then "pragmatically" rejecting Sanders for Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 PA 24, 484 Ga 1805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I think Bernie did just fine on fundraising. He swamped Biden. I meant the capital class will do everything in their power to stop a socialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Arguably, Rep. Clyburn in SC played kingmaker twice, Obama over HRClinton and then "pragmatically" rejecting Sanders for Biden. It's crazy how one guy basically decided the primary. As a Bernie supporter, I was pretty salty. Without that huge win in SC (Bernie was polling within 10 points before Clyburn's endorsement and he lost by 50 points), Biden doesn't get the moderates to consolidate behind him before Super Tuesday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: I meant the capital class will do everything in their power to stop a socialist Dems would have rather lost to trump than nominate Bernie and I’m not sure I could be convinced otherwise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Soxbadger Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, mqr said: Dems would have rather lost to trump than nominate Bernie and I’m not sure I could be convinced otherwise. Not even close. Trump is an unique threat to American Democracy. The biggest knock on Bernie is that he would have been too great of a risk against Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I can’t get over the media cutting off trump and calling out his bs 5 years too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: If we are in a dream world why not just then have Trump claim PA and put the electoral votes on a chart with a black sharpie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1324335412865863682 It is amazing what has happened to the Republican Party in the last 12 years. And Trump is a symptom not a cause. Thank you Fox News and social media for ruining this country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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